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If Vince Goes To Prison...



You may have already answered this before, but let's say Vince does go to prison for steroid distribution... who runs the WWF in his absence, especially if it's a long-term absence like 5 or 10 years? Pat Patterson? J.J. Dillon? Does Shane have any input even then? As mentioned, there were so many holes in the case that it would have been highly unlikely Vince goes away, but it's a very interesting "what if?" scenario.

NICK ROOSA

There was actually a plan in place for Jerry Jarrett of all people to run the company in Vince's absence.  I presume because he was a tightwad and understood weekly booking.  

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  1. I would've liked to see that. More awful gimmicks and hopefully some Doug Gilbert promos.

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  2. Let's be realistic: Vince would still be trying to run things from his prison cell, like mafia kingpins who keep calling the shots while behind bars.

    Though with Jerry Jarrett in charge we'd likely get WORLD CHAMPION JEFF JARRETT six years earlier...

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  3. yea I was thinking about Jeff with his fingers crossed waiting for the trial verdict.

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  4. I'm pretty sure Stephanie and HHH would actually be the ones calling the shots in his absence. It's really only a matter of time before they are anyway.

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  5. Vince would have loved prison.

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  6. Shane? The dude was like 22 in 1994. Vince isn't leaving control to him. Dude was probably still in college.

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  7. 18 year old Stephanie would still be running away from "Macho Man" in 1994. HHH was "Terra Ryzing" WCW by this point.

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  8. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJune 4, 2014 at 12:35 PM

    He's talking about the trials in 1994, not today.

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  9. HHH borrowed Poochie's time machine.

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  10. Good god, we would have had Jeff Jarrett, WWF champion.

    It's fun to think about Vince getting the full 20 years, though. If he'd gotten out in 2004, how different would wrestling have been?

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  11. Dead. WCW would run itself out of business and WWF was on rubber legs before shifting into a more adult themed product.

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  12. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJune 4, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    It probably wouldn't exist, at least not on any kind of big national scale. Hell, we might be watching Monday Night NJPW.

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  13. Yuck, Jerry Jarrett running the promotion would have been putrid.

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  14. Can you imagine how hard Nitro would have steamrolled the cornball Memphis stuff with what it did against the revolutionary 1997 WWF?

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  15. So it would have been the Double U Double U F?

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  16. The Double J F!

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  17. Everybody would be getting paid $25 a night.

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  18. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJune 4, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    In food stamps.

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  19. Ted Turner may not have established his hard-on for putting Vince out of business if Vince was in prison. He may never have OK'd Nitro.

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  20. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJune 4, 2014 at 1:00 PM

    Never mind the gay jokes, he would have loved it just because prisoners spend most of their time weightlifting.

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  21. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJune 4, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    She'd by way too old for Lawler at that point.

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  22. Or dear god, Monday Night ECW.

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  23. I think in JJ Dillon's shoot, he mentions the plans for running things if Vince went to jail. They had it all structured, I remember that.

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  24. Weightlifting and man on man sex that isn't considered gay.


    He'd probably start promoting shower fights to.

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  25. He would have been 25. Still young but maybe not as much of a reach.

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  26. Only in prison will you see this!

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  27. Wonder if Nailz would have visited him.

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  28. Somebody's almost paying attention.

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  29. "A few years ago, some people tried to destroy my family. They attacked
    my father's reputation, they attacked my mother's reputation, and they
    attacked the World Wrestling Federation. They tried to rip us apart ...
    but all they did was make my family stronger. And that's exactly how
    America feels right now. Because on Tuesday, America was attacked.
    Because America is a united nation. And together, we stand strong. I am
    incredibly proud to be an American citizen, and I will stand up for my
    rights and my freedom."

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  30. If Vince going to jail removes that promo from history: Where's the damn time machine?

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  31. Jerry Jarrett might not have been a bad choice. Lawler ran the really stupid gimmicks.
    'Hello wrestling fans and welcome to Monday Night RAW! I'm Lance Russell here with Jim Ross and what an hour of action we've got tonight JR...'
    Wait, that could have been awesome.

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  32. Anything can happen in prison!

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  33. Stand up for WWE!

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  34. Still can't believe that made it to air. NO-ONE would dare say anything?

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  35. In this reality, TNA probably never comes into existence. Jerry Lawler would probably get a run or ten as WWF Heavyweight Champion.

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  36. You know Vince would have gotten a ring in there, and run main events like Tony "Two Death Penalties" Perreti vs Mike ".38 Magnum" Serra, in a "Winner Gets Out Of Solitary" match.

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  37. "1... 2.. 3, he got him! Wait no he didn't! Come on, guards!"

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  38. The sex offender as the Honky Tonk Man-like chicken-shit heel.

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  39. The warden's going to have to make a ruling on this!

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  40. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJune 4, 2014 at 1:35 PM

    They might not consider it gay, but I sure as hell do.


    It's like hookers. Don't people just whack off anymore?

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  41. Surely the Big Boss Man would have been able to get Vince out?

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  42. I'm still absolutely shocked they thought that promo was a good idea. When people talk about selfish and outrageous things, that promo had to be near the top.

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  43. Would he have had to fight Nailz again to do it?

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  44. Bret probably would've worked for $20 to show how much of a champion he was.

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  45. Vince in prison is a TV show I want so bad

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  46. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJune 4, 2014 at 1:37 PM

    It's surprising that ECW lasted as long as it did. No way they'd still be around.


    Monday Night CZW! Don't laugh, they're the second oldest promotion in the U.S. right now outside of WWE, and are getting close to having a longer lifespan than WCW and ECW combined.

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  47. I don't think so. He had some good ideas in Memphis, but the talent wasn't there. If Jarrett is just doing the booking and not the business end, I think things might've turned out OK. I also think Jarrett would've eventually been booking by committee and wouldn't have been surprised if Jim Ross would've still been doing talent relations and had some creative input as well.

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  48. Austin might've been brought over anyway if one assumes Jim Ross is still head of talent relations. If the WWF was getting their ass handed to them by WCW, I think Linda would use her share of the company to do something to right the ship.

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  49. Doesn't all this assume that Vince would've had NO input from prison? I have a feeling he might've still been calling shots from afar. You can't tell me he wouldn't be watching RAW from prison or something.

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  50. Haha, Vince commentating prison life is a funny thought. He wouldn't have ended up in a maximum security facility, though. Probably one of those country club kind of things.

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  51. It's possible. If he's going to jail, you know he's going to some country club, minimum security spot.

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  52. Are you kidding? BBM would make sure Vince serves some HARD TIME!!!

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  53. "As I finished dressing and headed towards the exit, Mr. Jarrett handed me the payoff from tonight's show. With tears in his eyes, he confided in me, 'Champ, I wish I could pay you what the best worker in this business is truly worth, but times are hard.'


    I left that building know that my fans knew what kind of champion I was....and that they'd let me bum a few bucks off of them for gas to the next town."

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  54. With how much of a control freak Vince is, I just can't see him completely distancing himself from the company. Lord knows what kind of crazy characters or booking ideas he'd come up with in a prison, though.

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  55. "These convicts are into body-building....push Luger, dammit!"

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  56. LOL...To Stephanie, "some people" is the government of the United States.

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  57. That's a B-level effort. Since it didn't include a swipe at HBK, I can't give it an A.

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  58. The McMahons seriously live on their own planet.

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  59. I bet Vince yells at his dick when he whacks off.

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  60. Nah, that promo is great because it's so mind-boggling. I wouldn't want it removed.

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  61. Well, I really just think its Stephanie and Vince. Dave Meltzer came to talk to my wrestling culture class in college (the strange electives you get to take) and said that Linda and Shane are the most rational people in the family.

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  62. Haha. It starts out OK, but once she gets to the "some people tried..." part and you see where she's going with it, you just do a facepalm and are like "are you freakin' kidding me?!?!?"

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  63. We gotta preserve these crazy moments in this wrestling world of ours.

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  64. When I was 12 I tried out for a Little League Team and didn't make it because I later found out the team was essentially picked the year before and the try-outs are a formality. 9/11 reminded me a lot of that.

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  65. "My cell-mate Bubba thinks Shawn is pretty...give him the title, dammit!"

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  66. "And that's exactly how America feels right now."


    Eeeewwwwwwwwwww.

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  67. Running away from Macho? Or towards him?

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  68. "Men do sexual favours to one another for cigarettes in here....we need to do our version of that!"

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  69. I think if Vince goes to jail, we get a really rougher and aggressive Goldust when he's released.

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  70. "This Hart/Diesel feud has no heat....have Nash fuck Owen in the ass."

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  71. Razor Ramon vs the 1-2-3 in a Fuck Em In the Ass Match.

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  72. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM

    today has been a sucky day for BoD discussion

    dammit, tv, be more funny!

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  73. Vince goes to jail and somehow WCW STILL fails to take advantage for the lead....

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  74. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 4, 2014 at 2:07 PM

    quit downvoting me, today's banal discussion

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  75. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    i love that i'm so obnoxious that you actually seek me out

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  76. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 4, 2014 at 2:09 PM

    that match happened later but was booked as x-pac vs. chyna

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  77. Your winner, and NEW World Wrestling Federation tag-team champions... P-G-THIRTEEEEEEEEEENNNNN!!!!
    This gets better and better. Let's give Dundee the book.

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  78. Its probably just a disqus thing. No way someone could fire off downvotes that fast, right?

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  79. They're running Hulkamania South. Kevin Sullivan dies from an aneurysm dealing with Hulk and Bischoff's nonsense, Jarrett goes and gets guys like Pillman and Austin even earlier.

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  80. I am imagining Vince on the prison payphone trying to muffle his voice, talking to Patterson about how to blow off this 2 Undertaker thing....pretty funny stuff

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  81. Was it a shoot?

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  82. Wasn't this the time period where Shane is partying with pre-Raven Scott Levy?

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  83. I would be for that actually

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  84. "BAH GAWD!! THAT'S, THAT'S.....P.Y. CHU-HI AND TOJO YAMMAMOTO!! WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN THE WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION!! HERE COMES THE SOUTHERN TENNESSEE INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPION, ERIC EMBRY!! RIGHT HAND, RIGHT HAND!!!"

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  85. WHAT IN THE SAM HILL ARE THEY DOING WIHT THAT SALT? WILLYOU GUYS QUIT THAT STUFF?!! JUST GET OUT OF HERE!

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  86. Presumably, even if he'd gone to prison, he wouldn't have been going away for life. Vince would have at some point been back to run the company and he would have most likely set it on the current path. The big question is whether the company would have been able to stay afloat without his guiding vision, and I, for one think it would have. While Vince has always had the final say, he's been aided by many of the greatest minds in wrestling and those minds would have still been in play. I question whether in the more fluid power structure the wrestlers might have even been afforded a greater input in their characters and angles, creating a more diverse image for the company. It could have ultimately been a good thing, maybe even encouraging Vince to continue such a practice after he returns reinvigorated and ready to reclaim his empire.
    Now what would have really changed the scope of wrestling as we know it would have been if Vince had gone to prison and had Seth Rollins as a cellmate. Because then it would only have been a matter of time before Rollins SHANKED HIM IN THE BACK!!!

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  87. Knowing Vince, he'd be running that federal prison within 6 months tops.

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  88. HHH was booking stuff at age 27 and only being in the business for 5 years so due to being buddies with HBK. Not that farfetched for Shane at 25 to have input.

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  89. An 8-yr old Seth Rollins in prison, stabbing Vince in the back... fuck it, I laughed.

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  90. "The winner... and NEW champion... J-E-double-F (ha ha haaaa) J-A-double-R-E-double-T. That's 'Double J,' now... Jeff Jarrett."

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  91. "WWF SHUTS DOORS!"


    -Wrestling media, six days later.

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  92. The Blunder Of The Century!

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  93. Listening to Heyman's account of the business side of the end of ECW on Austin's podcast was really, really interesting. They were only 7 million in debt, the PPV company owed them almost 3 million (which they didn't pay because they knew ECW was dead).

    They were in negotiations with USA after WWE went to TNN, but USA decided if they couldn't have the best company, they just weren't going to be in wrestling. If Vince goes to jail and WCW still goes down the Hogan/Bischoff/Corporate mess road, USA may have been willing to give ECW a try. Not saying it would have worked, but a dead/injured WWE and an unprofitable WCW might mean that ECW keeps its talent and gets a good tv deal.

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  94. Federal prison might have been a death sentence for Vince depending on the sentence. He'd have had to do at least 80% of his sentence and those drug sentences are insane even when the government doesn't want to make an example out of someone.

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  95. Most sources say Vince was looking at 20 years max, IIRC.

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  96. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tty3xO6R-U8



    This was surreal to watch, especially since I had no idea what he was talking about at the time

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  97. So he would have hired Jesse Baker as head booker?

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  98. Jeff marries Stephanie.

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  99. Bubba from cell block six is a 14 time world champion.

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  100. Mr.McMahon in memphis circa 1993 is always worth a re-watch.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI_1cW-1xZc

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  101. Worked shoot...all over the face.

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  102. Nah, Alcohol Free Duff turnaround on that one.

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  103. I think he would have control over the long term and where the company was heading, but don't think he'd be any condition to make a last minute audible and we kowhow much Vince loves changing his mind.

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  104. "Gentlemen, is that the best you can do?" Awesome.

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  105. I can't believe it took him another 4+ years to unveil that character on WWF TV.

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  106. World Wrestling Federal Prison.

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  107. We don't know if Edge gave JBL cigarettes after he had his ass soaped.

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  108. It doesn't surprise me.


    I'm sure Linda was PISSED that Vince aired that "waking up from a coma" skit the day before the polls opened.

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  109. Perfunctory...


    "A few years ago, some people tried to destroy me, my reputation, my credibility, my family. The attacker was the organisation I'd given my all to - the World Wrestling Federation. I gave them blood, sweat, tears, and my very soul. They tried to rip me apart...with my own finisher, no less. But I never tapped, and all they did was make me stronger. And that's exactly how America feels right now. I'm still champion, and America's still champion. The world is turning to America with tears in its collective eyes, and saying I'm...I mean, they're...the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. Of all time."

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  110. I remember reading RSPW in 96 and someone talking about how great Vince could be as a heel referencing this stint.

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  111. Vince was going to run this from the pen like a BOSS

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  112. I loved that angle. Jimmy Hart did a promo kicking off the angle that was perfect. He thrived in Memphis' format

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  113. Hence why Shane went off on his own and Linda attempted to do so herself. Meanwhile the company's storylines gets worse and worse with Stephanie's "writing" team.

    Even a nutjob like the Warrior recognized that Linda is easier to deal with than Vince.

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  114. I recall hearing a couple times that Jerry Jarrett 'running the company' wasn't true. I know Corny has said it often, but I'm suspicious of it.

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  115. He picked the perfect time to unveil it though. Whether intentionally or not, he waited until he had the perfect foil to the evil boss character and he had the perfect launching pad for said character dropped in his lap.

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  116. Crikey Mate Down Under AussieJune 4, 2014 at 8:30 PM

    Covered in "Tonight...in this very ring!" If my memory serves correctly

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  117. This thread is hilarious, I haven't laughed this much at a thread in a long time. I love all the Vince booking stuff in prison jokes, I would seriously watch that reality show.

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  118. "Hey Pat...I'm doing alright...you would LOVE it here, buddy."

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  119. The Love-Matic Grampa!June 4, 2014 at 10:06 PM

    And what an awkward transition. "And now, here's Bob Backlund!"

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  120. WAs this legit?

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  121. Is this the old TRNRoosa? If so, what's up? It's the artist formally known as NickVenom.

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  122. Extreme Prison Wrestling

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  123. Can you imagine Jerry running the company? How soon before Double-J was World Champion?

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  124. Would YOU? I mean, Steph & Vince's "Big Ideas" nearly always see the light of day, and you'd probably be out on your ass in a week if you tried to stop them once they really got going.

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