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QOTD 172: Iconic.

Lets talk about iconography - or things that had such a massive impact on our world, media, and interpersonal conversations that they're often times more important for what they ushered in, versus what they actually are.

Following a binge of '90s' stuff that influenced the stuff we watch, listen too, play, and enjoy now, I figured I'd toss the question out to the BOD.

Thus: Name your top 5 'iconic' Wrestling Matches, Movies, Albums, TV shows, and songs. Bonus points for links and explanations. 


Top 4 'Iconic' Movies of the 1990s: 

1. Pulp Fiction - I recently saw this movie in its entirety for the first time since graduating high school and holy crap its finger prints are everywhere. I mean this flick crowned "I'm gonna go Medieval on your ass!" for crying out loud. Toss in  the scene where Travolta and the heroin dealer go through how to use the adrenaline shot has such a ribald energy you're not sure if it's supposed to be funny, sad, or silly, and all the strange and obscure references to American culture, and it's impossible to not at least appreciate this movie for what it did, even if you hated it.

2. Terminator 2 - Here's a movie that by ushering in the age of CGI effects, prevented a movie like Terminator 2 from ever being made again. I mean this flick features a real-life helicopter flying under a highway overpass. It had the first digital wire removal in cinematic history, and was simply masterful at everything it accomplished. I cannot stress enough how cool watching this movie with James Cameron's commentary is.While Titanic was a more popular movie, the groundwork for combing CGI with practical effects was started here, until Starship troopers decided who needs practical effects.

3. Reservoir Dogs - Yes, another Tarintino movie - but it's iconic for different reasons - namely the way it played with time and was only in a few different locations. This movie was so brutal at the time it came out, people literally walked out during the 'ear cutting' scene that I honestly didn't even know was a 'thing' until I saw the movie and realized it was parodied in an Itchy and Scratchy cartoon in The Simpsons.

4. Armageddon - Definitely the most 'iconic' of all the destruction movies that came out in the 90s, with Ben Affleck, Bruce Willis, and a bunch of crazy CGI effects, along with the 'major' debuts of Liv Tyler and Affleck to a mainstream audience. The 'Leaving on a Jet Plane' thing, despite being wildly impossible in real life, was an awesome moment, too.

Top 4 Iconic Wrestling 'things'. 

1. Hogan Slams Andre - This moment is so iconic people who don't know a THING about wrestling know who Hulk Hogan is, and likely know what Wrestlemania 3 was, too.

2. Montreal Screwjob - We all know why.

3. Savage / Elizabeth - An angle that typified what pro wrestling could be when executed flawlessly.

4. Stone Cold Steve Austin - Just everything, really, attitude era, stunning Vince, cross-over recognition, made being bald 'cool', you can't go wrong here.

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  1. Armageddon...iconic...LOL.

  2. Was thinking the same thing.

  3. Well it is. Armageddon gave us Ben Affleck movie star, introduced us Liv Tyler, movie star, did some insane special effects thing, and really got the whole "Destruction Movie Blockbuster" thing off the ground. Considering the fact "I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing" is STILL a popular song on the radio, you can't deny the movie's impact.

  4. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    It might just be that I'm a little older, but if you're going to pick a big action movie for the list I'd say that Independence Day > Armageddon.

    And it didn't have a crappy Aerosmith song in it either, so that's a point right there.

  5. Shawshank Redemption deserves some 90s iconic recognition. I remember seeing it in the theater. I think coming out at the same time Pulp Fiction hurt it some. It still gets quoted and parodied, especially the Morgan Freeman narration.

  6. The Immortal Hoke OganJune 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM

    Hogan vs. Andre
    Hogan vs. Savage
    Hogan vs. Warrior
    Hogan vs. Flair
    Austin vs. Rock
    Austin vs. Hart (for what it helped usher in)

  7. The Immortal Hoke OganJune 7, 2014 at 10:45 AM

    nWo, Austin, Hulkamania, Montreal, WWF buys WCW

  8. Armageddon did not give us Ben Affleck movie star, Liv Tyler never really became a movie star, and did not get the destruction movie blockbuster off the ground.

  9. he had won an oscar before Armageddon

  10. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

    Ben Affleck was quite successful already.

  11. I'd throw in Se7en and Scream for iconic 90s movies.

  12. He was in Good Will Hunting and Chasing Amy - which are GOOD movies, but weren't like insane smash hit blockbuster movies like Armageddon was.

  13. Scream's good because it was the first post-modern Horror movie. Se7en
    I'm not quite sure because it was a super dark and gritty movie, but I
    don't really know what came out of that flick other than its huge cult following after release.

  14. Good Will Hunting was an indie movie that made $138 million and won Ben Affleck an Oscar.

    Armageddon was a summer tentpole that made $200 million. Ben Affleck was more of a star off of Good Will Hunting than Armageddon.

    Armageddon is not an iconic 90s movie. As others have said, Independence Day is probably the movie you were thinking of.

  15. If we're going Michael Bay and "iconic" I would say The Rock over Armageddon.

  16. I would say the Transformer movies over Armageddon. Armageddon is not an iconic movie. Sorry Meekin.

  17. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 11:36 AM

    Hi movie list was for the 90s, otherwise sure.

  18. Fair enough. But Armageddon is still a horrible choice.

  19. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    I disagree in that Good Will Hunting was commercially successful, and critically acclaimed.

    And I would still say Independence Day if we`re going to add a summer blockbuster. It made more money, has that scene of the White House being blown up which I would be much more inclined to call iconic than anything in Armageddon, and it gave us Will Smith, movie star (at least insomuch as Armageddon gave us Affleck.

  20. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM

    Yes it is.

  21. Independence Day did give us Will Smith movie star. Armageddon did not give us Ben Affleck movie star. Meekin probably cries at the animal crackers scene.

    Men in Black is more iconic than Armageddon too.

  22. If you're talking big explosive action popcorn flick, Independence Day destroys Armageddon.

    "And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night!" We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day!"

    Fuck yeah!

  23. Well to be fair Michael Bay's Bad Boys gave us Will Smith, Movie Star :)

  24. Another couple of 'S' movies: Silence Of The Lambs, and The Sixth Sense are both pretty iconic.

    Just read your 'Watch Dogs' article - shame it sounds so flawed (no shooting from a vehicle????) because it looked to have so much potential.

  25. Ugh. I fucking hate "I Don't Wanna Miss A Thing." There's a lot of Aerosmith songs that I love, but that is probably my least favorite.

  26. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 11:47 AM

    Which is why I qualified my statement with the bit in parenthesis.

    If we allow that Affleck was made by Armageddon, then we must allow that Smith was made by Independence Day.

  27. It's still really good - I'd check out the 7 great games thing to get some positive feedback

  28. Forrest Gump and Jurassic Park are also more iconic than Armageddon. As is Home Alone. Others have mentioned Shawshank Redemption. I'd say even Office Space is more iconic than Armageddon.

    What about Titanic?

  29. Liv Tyler was already well known by the point Armageddon came out. She was in a *slightly* popular Aerosmith video by 1994. "Crazy" aka the one with the lesbian overtones with Alicia Silverstone. One of the top videos on MTV in 1994. She was also well known as Steven Tyler's hot daughter.

    Like others said, Ben Affleck was already famous for Good Will Hunting and an Academy Award winner. But you know, facts suck so Armageddon launched both of their careers!

  30. You're expecting too much from him.

  31. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 12:01 PM


    Armageddon was just the latest, at the time, flick to cash in on the big space based summer blockbuster which was hot in the 90s. The most memorable thing about it is the song.

    All of those movies are obviously better choices.

  32. Saving Private Ryan. Fight Club. Schindler's List. Clueless. Boyz in the Hood.

  33. Fight Club
    The Matrix
    Independence Day
    Men in Black
    Jurassic Park
    Forrest Gump
    Silence of the Lambs
    Saving Private Ryan
    Lion King
    Usual Suspects
    Toy Story
    Big Lebowski
    Edward Scissorhands
    Starship Troopers
    Boyz n the Hood
    Menace II Society
    Schindler's List

  34. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM

    For iconic wrestling moments I`ve got to give it to Undertaker`s defeat of King Kong Bundy at WM11.

    I like to call it the Armageddon of 90s WWE.

  35. Wayne's World and Austin Powers

  36. Since I was 9 at the time...... south park: bigger longer and uncut was as iconic as it got

  37. The Blair Witch Project. American Pie. Something About Mary. Dumb and Dumber. The Truman Show. Ace Ventura.

  38. I thought a South Park musical could never work - then I heard 'Blame Canada' and 'Uncle Fucker'.

  39. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 12:14 PM

    It was a good movie.

  40. Toy Story. Mrs. Doubtfire. Apollo 13. True Lies. Speed. Jerry Maguire. Showgirls.

  41. Titanic is easily the most iconic movie of the 90's.

  42. Braveheart
    Blair Witch Project
    LA Confidential
    Carlito's Way
    Eyes Wide Shut
    Groundhog Day
    Boogie Nights
    Being John Malkovich
    Dazed and Confused
    American History X
    Green Mile
    American Beauty

  43. The Fugitive. Sleepless in Seattle. Space Jam. The Batman movies. The Bodyguard. A League of Their Own. Beauty and the Beast. The Addams Family. JFK. Basic Instinct. Ghost. Pretty Woman. Dances With Wolves. TMNT.

  44. 12 Monkeys
    Truman Show
    Beauty and the Beast

  45. Tommy Boy. Billy Madison. Happy Gilmore.

  46. Clueless is the most iconic movie of the 90's. Theres so much nostalgic value in that film for me its almost hard to watch at times (even though I've seen it approximately 1 million times)

  47. Unforgiven
    Ed Wood
    Out of Sight
    Malcolm X
    Thelma & Louise
    There's Something About Mary

  48. I don't want to close my eyes
    I don't want to fall asleep
    'Cause I'd miss you babe
    Puke I dont like that movie at all

  49. Nightmare Before Christmas

  50. I remember watching the movie Armageddon with two of my friends, on of their girl friends and her friend from out of town or something. I absolutely thought the movie was shit and my buddy with the gf fell asleep. But I remember looking over at my other friend and seeing that he was 1)crying and 2)holding the other girls hand...all for the ending of that movie. I lost about 75% of all my respect for that dude right then and there.

  51. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJune 7, 2014 at 12:41 PM

    And it didn't have Ben Affleck, another point in it's favor.

  52. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJune 7, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    I'd hardly call Liv Tyler a star. Wen was the last time she was even anything?

    Deep Impact was far better than Armageddon.

  53. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryJune 7, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    Good start with Pulp Fiction so that list ending with the shitfest that is Armageddon (with such crazy CGI that the out-of-control asteroid hurtling through space has perfect Earth gravity and looks like a 60s Star Trek set) is like that one shuttle getting destroyed before they even make it to the asteroid. Totally worth it for Ben Affleck crying over Owen Wilson though ("MWWWAAHHHH!!!" =/)

    Fuck that movie in its brown asteroid dumpster.

  54. Armageddon is an iconic movie in the same way that Blink-182's self-titled album is the best album of all time.
    Your opinions are stinking, hot garbage for someone who claims to be such a film buff.

  55. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    holy fucking mother of shit - vh1 is doing an "i love the 2000's"...

  56. Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms, yo.

  57. They did I Love The New Millennium already in 2008.

  58. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 12:57 PM

    Agreed, that was like the good version.

  59. Mister_E_LogdriverJune 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    `The oughts` or GTFO.

  60. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    just saw an ad for it on vh1 classic, and it clearly said "2000's"

  61. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryJune 7, 2014 at 1:03 PM

    Applesauce, bitch!

  62. Well for 90s song, Alanis Morissette would have... what? Oh, ICONIC.

  63. Well, the 00s have been done for five years now.

  64. There's a difference between being in a popular movie and being one of the leads in a massively popular movie.

    Will Smith was in Six Degrees of Separation and we wouldn't say that made him a super star. Similarly Liv Tyler's claim to fame up to that point was a music video in 1994. Being popular amongst like teenagers who watched MTV and popular amongst film buffs in the case of Ben Affleck is DIFFERENT than being massively popular superstars.

    You're saying that Hogan Slamming Andre didn't define his career because he was already super popular in AWA.

  65. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 7, 2014 at 1:17 PM

    but what the hell is there to remember?

  66. Iconic and Good aren't always the same thing. The Godfather is iconic and spawned so many movies like it, but is generally less entertaining than Goodfellas, for example.

  67. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 7, 2014 at 1:22 PM

    friends was definitely iconic for the 90's, as was seinfeld


    beavis and butthead

    as much as i fucking hate them, nirvana

    dre, snoop, tupac, biggie

    pantera, black metal

    nu-metal and ska (ugh)

  68. who doesn't remember where they were when Undertaker beat King Kong Bundy? It was UT's iconic 90's WM moment.

  69. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 7, 2014 at 1:23 PM

    her appearance in dogma, it reminds me that you'd have to say that kevin smith was iconic for the 90's

  70. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 7, 2014 at 1:25 PM

    games? grand theft auto and final fantasy

  71. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyJune 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM


    but my 1st thoughts of the "i love the... " shows drift towards pop culture, but yes 9/11 and bush the 2nd will be there

  72. They both got their roles because they were up and coming pop culture people. Will Smith was popular when he was the Fresh Prince with DJ Jazzy Jeff.

  73. Nope, you're wrong.

    Ben Affleck was already popular, having starring in Good Will Hunting the previous December. The movie, despite being an indie, made $138 million and won him an Oscar.

    Armageddon was more of a Bruce Willis vehicle than anything and had nothing to do with Affleck becoming a star. Good Will Hunting (it's not your fault, how do you like dem Apples, Matt Damon's career) is way more iconic than Armageddon.

  74. This has nothing to do with anything.

  75. Liv Tyler was pretty well known for being the girl in the Aerosmith videos and the interesting story of how she found out Steven Tyler was her dad.

    She had already appeared in Empire Records, which would become an iconic 90s movie. In fact, it's way more iconic than Armageddon.

    Unlike Ben Affleck, who did become a major movie star, Liv Tyler didn't.

  76. Armageddon is not an iconic movie. In fact people have listed, what, 30-40 movies from the 90s that are more iconic than Armageddon.


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