Seth Rollins Update
Rollins was not injured on RAW last night and the injury spot was scripted to remove him from the finish of the Fatal Four Way Match at Battleground
http://pwinsider.com/article/86935/bray-rollins-and-more-wwe-injury-updates.html?p=1
Reasons for Paul Heyman Being Kept Away from Cesaro Last Night on RAW
Heyman was kept away from Cesaro last night as the plans are for Brock Lesnar to return shortly and for Heyman to focus on his storyline when he returns.
http://pwinsider.com/article/86936/another-big-return-expected-soon-for-wwe.html?p=1
Kayfabe Commentaries Releases "YouShoot" with Shane Helms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiGRps99HsU
Rollins was not injured on RAW last night and the injury spot was scripted to remove him from the finish of the Fatal Four Way Match at Battleground
http://pwinsider.com/article/86935/bray-rollins-and-more-wwe-injury-updates.html?p=1
Reasons for Paul Heyman Being Kept Away from Cesaro Last Night on RAW
Heyman was kept away from Cesaro last night as the plans are for Brock Lesnar to return shortly and for Heyman to focus on his storyline when he returns.
http://pwinsider.com/article/86936/another-big-return-expected-soon-for-wwe.html?p=1
Kayfabe Commentaries Releases "YouShoot" with Shane Helms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiGRps99HsU
That Rollins story doesn't add up. It was a stupid DQ finish, what is the point of keeping him out of the ring? And then the trainer came running over and stayed with him he whole time. Why bother with the trainer, why not having lying ringside selling the injury?
ReplyDeleteThe news story sounds bogus as shit, I bet he really hurt himself.
Wrestlezone apparently violated the Elite TOS and 411 Mania pasted it to explain further
ReplyDeletehttp://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/328827/UPDATED:-Injury-Update-on-Seth-Rollins.htm
Oh wait, I read it as scripted to remove himself from the Raw match. Still fucking stupid though.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm calling bullshit on this. It doesn't add up.
ReplyDelete1) "Where's Hot Rod?" "I don't know, but I hope THEY didn't get him!"
ReplyDelete2) "Let's try to salvage this thing."
3) "Soundwave - play back Laserbeak's findings."
I guess it was a way to circumvent the current storyline of him trying to cash in at every possible opportunity, even though him winning might make the 4 way without the title, so everyone there would make sure it doesn't happen.
ReplyDeleteYou're right. DUM
I had RAW muted last night, and I honestly thought Ric Flair had sold his time slot to Reigns to pay some back debts.
ReplyDeleteHey man backing away from Cesaro?
ReplyDeleteWWE: Let's just pretend this never happened.
So does that mean he won't wrestle Ambrose at Battleground? I'm kind of confused.
ReplyDeleteIt means they didn't want him in the ring at the end of Raw so they could beat us over the head with symbolism.
ReplyDelete...now that his heat is all gone.
ReplyDeleteI was confused too but the link itself says it was done so he wasn't around for the finish of last night's match, saying nothing about Battleground.
ReplyDeleteSo instead of letting Ambrose continue any kind of meteoric star rise by coming out and removing Rollins from the match himself, they had Rollins instead fake an injury, thus making himself look bad and Ambrose look like a wimp for staying knocked out the whole night.
ReplyDeleteThe WWE writers, ladies and gentlemen!
Um no, i've been saying for months that Cesaro will turn face once he gets sick of Heyman giving all his attention to Brock. So this works perfectly into this.
ReplyDeleteI totally read "Pasta Mania".
ReplyDeleteHe took a curb stomp on concrete, I don't think he looked wimpy to be beaten by 3 men and then out for the night.
ReplyDeleteCena would have totally gotten back up 1 minute later (LOLSummerSlam2010DDTConcrete)
ReplyDeleteSo then why couldn't Ambrose have just made the heroic run-in and brawled with Rollins to the back? That would have accomplished the exact same goal, while also keeping momentum on two future stars. Or is making new stars not part of the plan?
ReplyDeleteNot having Ambrose factor into removing Rollins from the match reeks of this company not wanting him to outshine Cena and Reigns. Politics stinks.
ReplyDeleteCesaro is less over than Swagger is currently.
ReplyDeleteHe would need to regain a lot of momentum for that to be successful.
No, Cena would have fought them all off before Rollins could hit the Curbstomp.
ReplyDelete*PHEW*
ReplyDeleteAmbrose/Rollins have a crazy ****+ brawl at Battleground and all is forgiven.
In what universe did Ambrose look wimpy? It's good that he sold getting curb stomped on a concrete floor.
ReplyDeleteI think they also added to his toughness by him saying is that all you've got, before Rollins finished him off.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I'm hoping for, give me some crazy back and forth action and they can even do a non ending.
ReplyDeleteIf this stays as a regular match, then I would be perfectly fine with a double DQ or something similar that leads up to a crazy streetfight brawl at SummerSlam.
ReplyDeleteI still don't get why they didn't strike while the iron was hot and have him swing Colter the night after Mania and solidify his face turn.
ReplyDeleteYeah they absolutely booked Ambrose as an Austin-level badass in that segment. Last night gets Ambrose over even more than he was before. Selling that beatdown is 100% what should have happened.
ReplyDeleteThey all but ruined his mania momentum and after the Cena feud, severely halted Wyatt's momentum.
ReplyDeleteAnd the wonder why they struggle to create new stars
Because maybe they also wanted to avoid having Ambrose do the exact same thing for a 3rd week in a row? Ambrose has ruined Seth's cash-in attempt on each show since MITB. Last night the heel got some heat with a beatdown, with Ambrose still acting super tough (throwing the first punch, saying "that's all you got Seth?") throughout. That's some star-making stuff for both of them.
ReplyDeleteWWE should have held of on Cesaro's heel turn. Could you imagine Rusev running through Swagger and than Colter bringing in Cesaro to face Rusev? GIANT SWING~ to Rusev. And Lana.
ReplyDeletePatience. I seriously think Cesaro will be a huge deal before the next WM.
ReplyDeleteIt's the whole "Ambrose is gonna get buuurrieeedd in favor of Reigns" thing. they so badly believe it that they almost seem to want it to happen just so they can say :"SEE? SEE? I TOLD YOU SO!"
ReplyDeleteHe was on "the list" right?
ReplyDeleteSo Rusev and Lana are a real life couple right now... Are they "Giant Swingers"?
ReplyDeleteI think it's a good thing he sold and made it count. Isn't that the kind of shit we get mad at Cena for every week? Barely selling big heel attacks?
ReplyDeleteYes. Yes it is.
ReplyDelete< Eric Bischoff becomes filled with intrigue >
ReplyDeleteYeah but I don't think this was an example of them not wnating to create a new star with Cesaro. It's just they made the decision that post-Mania he'd be better served staying heel than completing the face turn, and there's a lot of logic in that. At the time aside from Cena you also had the entire Shield having just turned face, and they were gonna get a main event push. (Which has paid off in 3 new singles stars right now.) Plus Daniel Bryan was gonna be the babyface on top, which obviously didn't work out but that was the plan. So there's logic in looking at that landscape and deciding that Cesaro would have more room as a heel linked up with Heyman.
ReplyDeleteTo me, the botch came when:
1) Cesaro didn't win the IC tournament and IC title from Big E. I get that Bad News has a cool catchphrase, but Cesaro is light years better than Barret. He shoulda won the belt there.
2) He didn't beat Sheamus for the US title the next month.
He shoulda won a secondary belt by now and had Heyman gloat about it every show.
I still think that Cesaro's winning the IC title and staying with Heyman on Sunday, and getting pushed as part of Team heyman from there. We'll see.
Overall though I still think the guy's gonna be huge, and huge within the year. He's got the skills, the look, everyone loves him, and the crowds WANT him to be a star. I have zero worry about Cesaro ending up a main eventer.
Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of fervor to recreate the Bryan/Batista scenario with Ambrose and Reigns, except that
ReplyDeleteA) Reigns is super over as a face and the crowds WANT him to be the guy, unlike Batista
B) Ambrose is getting pushed really well right now and at the level he should be.
Also, chances are they both end up pretty huge stars who, along with Rollins, end up main eventing against eachother on PPVs for the next 5 years.
Well part of that also is probably that Zeb is over 60 and absolutely can't get cleared to take any bumps/moves of any kind.
ReplyDeleteBURY BURY BURY BURY BURY
ReplyDeleteEvery thread, post-Raws.
See Rollins is fine. Last night some of you guys already had him in surgery.
ReplyDeleteThe writers saying "Eh, we'll just keep Heyman away from Cesaro" is all you need to know about WWE writing. Short-sighted and ignore all continuity and common sense once "Hey, here's an idea" happens.
ReplyDeleteThey did "Ambrose stops Rollins" 2 straight weeks it'd get old.
ReplyDeleteBut see, only Cena should sell 3-on-1 attacks because we don't like him.
ReplyDelete"Is that all you got?" was pretty much Ambrose's no sell on that and I thought it worked.
This place overreact? Highly unlikely!
ReplyDeleteIt was on a wooden box.
ReplyDeleteI take it all back, what a bitch Ambrose is.
ReplyDeleteSo it was to remove him from the main event of Raw, not from the main event of Battleground as is presented here?
ReplyDeleteGeez, that was a mighty good selljob by Rollins. Even Ziggler has to tip his cap at that one.
ReplyDeleteHe can recover in the hospital for the next 8 months, right next to the room where AJ gives birth.
ReplyDeleteYes, see my comment under yours.
ReplyDeleteAnd "is that all you got?" is a 1000x better babyface no-sell than getting up an hour later and smiling and cracking jokes. Ambrose is goddamn awesome.
ReplyDelete"your attack is poopy!"
ReplyDeleterusso better sue pwinsider for flagrantly releasing copyrighted information!!!
ReplyDeleteUpdate on Vince Russo Working as a Consultant For TNA
Posted by Larry Csonka on 07.15.2014
An interesting story…
- For
some time there have been reports that Vince Russo has been working for
TNA as a creative consultant. Mr. Russo has repeatedly denied these
reports.
Pwinsider.com's
Mike Johnson reports that he was accidentally "CC'd" in an email from
Vince Russo, which featured instructions and advice from Russo to Mike
Tenay and Taz on how certain segments of a TNA TV episode, which are
about to be voiced over, should be handled.
BTW I find the URL of that youtube video offensive.
ReplyDeleteHeyman may be the greatest manager of all time but he is apparently awful at multi-tasking.
ReplyDeleteSo Brock is the ECW booking, and Cesaro is the ECW financials?
ReplyDeleteYou find the African country of Niger offensive? I'm sure they don't care for you, either.
ReplyDeletethere's scientific evidence that people will be more drawn to words mimicking reflecting their own feelings and beliefs
ReplyDeletewe'll just call you "vince mcmahon"
The most basic of wrestling logic is that when a heel is getting over with the crowds as a face, has tension with their heel manager, then turns on them, they become a face.
ReplyDeleteIts the most simple thing to do in wrestling and they went another route that has failed so far. Cesaro is as cooled off as before he was in the Real Americans
"Yeah they absolutely booked Ambrose as an Austin-level badass in that segment."
ReplyDeleteThe segment was idiotic as you had Cena and Reigns in the ring knowing that this was taking place and not doing a thing about it.
It was like they could care less that he was getting destroyed and that he was part of their match later that night.
Vince Jordan is not a gimmick and I will not stand for anyone who says different.
ReplyDeleteI don't care if he's the only one talking about people being buried every single week, he has DEFINITELY got "they" pegged as silly smarks. Keep fighting the good fight against "they"!
They're the worst. Both of them.
ReplyDeleteUsing Petuka's "lawyer" defense from the other thread.
ReplyDeleteOMG, name ONE instance where I specifically said, word for word "I think you are silly smarks!" JUST FIND ONE!! No reading between the lines, I want a direct exact quote!! [/petuka]
It also doesn't help that his theme song absolutely sucks. It suffers in the same way that Seth's does. "Tough, Tough Guy #3" from 2K15, it would have been,
ReplyDelete"I don't care if he's the only one talking about people being buried every single week"
ReplyDeleteI count three people who have mentioned the topic in this offshoot of comments on this thread alone.
It is fairly in character for Cena who has no sold it on numerous occasions when there was another face in peril.
ReplyDeleteIt's annoying that Reigns would do that though. if someone had done that to a comrade of mine you could bet I'd be racing to the back, not watching a beatdown from a distance.
ReplyDeleteI had a friend that went to the show and I asked him what Reigns and Cena were doing during the attack. He said the arena just went black and Cena and Reigns left.
ReplyDeleteI read basically every random group of characters phonetically as I see them.
ReplyDeleteThen cut a promo saying "This is what I love about the WWE Universe, anything can happen!!"
ReplyDeleteThe segment was not idiotic. We can assume they went back there and couldn't find him in time.
ReplyDeleteCalling that segment IDIOTIC is just nitpicking an otherwise great segment to an absurd level. I mean, that's the nature of pro wrestling beatdowns--- why aren't all the faces stopping every heel beatdown?
Seriously, you were watching that segment and just shaking your head saying "this sucks" because Cena and Reigns didn't stop it? Or because they didn't come up with what, a force field that prevented Cena/Reigns from getting to the back?
The Dangerous Alliance did ok.
ReplyDeleteRight, but sometimes the other tried and true move is to let fans fall in love with someone and build them up to a face turn... and then pull the wool over their eyes and heel them up even that much more. (See Rock in '98.) Again, The Shield had JUST turned from 3 heels into 3 babyfaces. Bryan was getting the rocket. There's definite logic in looking at that landscape and deciding that Cesaro would have a better spot as a heel.
ReplyDeleteThe problem was just that they didn't rocket push him as a heel with Heyman, or at least give him the IC or US title. At that point a rocket heel push would have worked just as well.
Anyway, he's already been accepted at a high level by fans, they just need to give him an angle and feud that puts him in the spotlight. Cesaro is way more over than he was a year ago, he just has zero going on at the moment for fans to get crazy over.
I was questioning as to why two guys were not helping out their partner in tonight's match and why the announcers did nothing at all to tell is why the did not help out Ambrose.
ReplyDeleteJobbing out en route to the IC strap is hardly going to build someone back up as a heel
ReplyDeleteShitty theme songs is definitely a problem right now. Rollins, Ambrose, and Cesaro all have generic TNA-sounding themes.
ReplyDeleteAmbrose especially needs something new.
The only theme songs that work are Wyatt, Bryan, and Fandango's
ReplyDeleteThat's hilarious.
ReplyDeleteFans are pretty good about accepting something as a slate wiper, especially with a guy that they're already predisposed to care about. (Which is what Cesaro has become in the last year.) If Cesaro wins that battle royal and then defends the IC strap against Kofi and Big E the next few weeks and proclaims himself a killer once again (or has Heyman do it), then he'll absolutely be able to rise up again.
ReplyDeleteNot saying that's how it SHOULD be done with these losses the last 3 weeks, but Sunday could easily be a slate wiper. If he wins and goes on a roll, fans will absolutely buy him.
Fuck man, Jack Swagger's been losing for 5 years now and fans are ready to annoint him the new patriotic megaface.
In the whole company? What about Swagger and The Shield (now Roman) or Bo Dallas?
ReplyDeletePlus I'd say there's a load of guys whose songs might not be our favs but that absolutely sound distinct and work well for the characters. Orton, Del Rio, Sheamus, Usos etc. The problem is that right now Ambrose/Cesaro/Rollins aren't even getting anything at close to THAT level.
Shield too but that one might go away. Swagger does too. Forgot about him
ReplyDeleteOrtons has been around for so long that it is just like Cena's at this point
Lana has amazing legs.
ReplyDeleteYou think they'd get rid of the Shield one altogether? If they switch up Roman's they better have something incredibly awesome ready to go, cause that dude's their money maker going forward. The Shield song gets an automatic pop so if I'm them I just keep it unless they know the new one is "Real American"-level.
ReplyDeleteOrton's song is so perfectly emo-douchetastic it's as if he wrote it himself in a tattoo chair.
He had Medusa to help him out. Until he decided she was stupid. Let me spell it out for you. He had to F-I-R-E her. And then the Alliance split.
ReplyDeleteUnless Reigns keep it, they will put it away for a bit I think.
ReplyDeleteMy buddies at PWInsider are in a Twitter war with Vunce Russo.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, it is what sets them apart from Meltzer and Keller
The overreaction to Heyman allegedly being fired based on Lawler's commentary was much worse.
ReplyDeleteIs this guy the brother of Vince Russo?
ReplyDeleteChanged it
ReplyDelete:looks up:
ReplyDeleteHa! That is offensive.
Yeah, this place exploded for that one.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that line saved the segment for Ambrose.
ReplyDeleteSymbolism.....
ReplyDeleteThen
Now
Forever....
As longs as Rollins and Ambrose get to fight on Sunday, it's all good.
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