This is a follow-up to a discussion from the Wednesday Evening Thread concerning the DDT promotion, Dramatic Dream Team Wrestling. Some saying DDT's brand of comedy is akin to WWE's brand of comedy. Others choosing to differ based on DDT being up front, while WWE makes you think you're getting Rollins/Ambrose, instead filling the gap with Divas matches and lemon party references. Short story long, this was one of the highlights of the year right here, courtesy of DDT. The IronMan title is the modern day 24/7 Hardcore title, the old guy at the end is long-time ref Kyohei Wada, and the rest is pretty self-explanatory. The best part is the crowd cluing themselves into what's going on, halfway through the vid. Link below..
The IronMan Title wins ITSELF~!
The IronMan Title wins ITSELF~!
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ReplyDeleteI saw no use of Head and Shoulders shampoo in the inanimate object losing a match. I am appalled.
ReplyDeleteThey had a match, it just wasn't in the ring and didn't have a clear winner/loser. Really can't complain IMO.
ReplyDeleteThere hasn't been a legit match on a PPV since Wrestlemania XV.
ReplyDeleteThey did not have a match.
ReplyDeleteI think people's reactions would of been different if it wasn't the same pull apart brawls raw was giving us the previous 3 weeks. I personally would of liked a callback to HBK vs Taker at ground zero.
ReplyDeleteWhat is "a match"? When a fake referee makes a fake three count?
ReplyDeleteWhen baseball players are swinging in the batting cages, are they having a game? And if there's then a rainout after that, is everyone who paid to watch the game an idiot because "You got to see them swing the bat for 5 minutes, that's exactly the same as watching a full game"? Referees separating them for 5 minutes is not a match by any reasonable definition.
ReplyDeleteBaseball is a sport. Pro wrestling is sports entertainment.
ReplyDeleteRollins and Ambrose entertained for a good long time.
What's more, you weren't ripped off anything because you got this show for free with the Network.
Stop whining and enjoy the entertainment.
Smark.
If they had actually had a brawl for, say, 10-15 minutes, with no bell ringing but an actual brawl, with them doing something unique, then I'd be agreeing with all of these people, but for some reason they're defining 5 minutes of refs separating them preceded by a minute of the same punching we got for weeks leading up to this as an incredible brawl we should all be happy to see. I don't get it.
ReplyDeleteIt's cool that you don't pay for the Network. Most people do, as it turns out.
ReplyDeleteAnd I actually don't care about using the Ambrose/Rollins thing to get to the next PPV. I'm speaking out against this "This was an amazing brawl and you're all idiots for not seeing that" attitude. But of course, on a board where people are complaining about every single thing which I usually defend, I speak out against one single thing and here comes Zanatude to personally attack me. Big shocker.
If you pay for the all-you-can-eat buffet, then you've already paid for the mashed potatoes, whether you eat them or not.
ReplyDeleteBut now you're going to play the "Help! I'm being repressed!" card? Really?
Fine. Complain away.
They had a "segment" on the PPV, which is more than 80 percent of the roster can say they had. The whole thing made perfect sense and worked well.
ReplyDeleteName that match.
ReplyDeleteWhen the shoe fits. I stopped posting on these boards for awhile because you were going out of your way to harass me if I had even the slightest opinion that wasn't rah rah WWE rocks, even though I normally enjoyed the product, while you would ignore the people who actually complain about everything. So yeah, I will "complain away" because last I checked, I am allowed to have an opinion even if the Great Zanatude doesn't like it. The funny thing is I usually agree with you, but for whatever reason if I say a single thing you don't agree with, there you are with personal attacks. Don't agree with me all you want, that's what these boards are for, but why you always try to make it personal with me, I have no idea.
ReplyDeleteI personally didn't think it worked too well, only because we got this exact thing for weeks. I can understand why they did it. I just disagree with the idea that what we got was the equivalent to a match. It was just a little punching and then refs and security separating them.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to call what happened at Battleground a "match", then you can also call my last 5 OkCupid dates "matches". Labeling it as such doesn't mean anyone went home happy or excited about the future.
ReplyDeleteButterbean vs Bart Gunn
ReplyDeleteOk, then it was a segment and they got a hot one at that. To go from realistic brawling to a staged fake match, like what would have happened for the match you wanted so badly, to me, is inplausiable. I thought it worked.
ReplyDeleteThey brawled on a car, if I remember correctly.
ReplyDeleteI see no vid or link.
ReplyDeleteI really want one.
Ok...?
ReplyDeleteAMBROSE AND ROLLINS PRETEND TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE MATCH OR WE COMPLAIN LOUDLY ONLINE!
ReplyDeleteAre you saying that that was fixed as well?
ReplyDeleteIf you're defending the decision to cancel the match featuring the most pushed angle coming out of MITB you clearly are either trolling or an uneducated WWE mark typing letters for the sake of it.
ReplyDeleteI wanted more than five minutes of stray punches through an army of refs from Ambrose and Rollins just like I wanted more than a single drink on a weeknight and a half hour of study abroad stories from my OkC dates. I'm just...so tired of the withholding, so much of it.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbNdbSgP9UQ
ReplyDeleteBecause this doesn't build interest in the Summerslam match in the least!
ReplyDeleteYou'll get that at SummerSlam.
ReplyDeleteIf it happened in WWF ring, then yes.
ReplyDeleteThey had a pull apart brawl with officials all over them at
ReplyDeleteevery moment. It resembled a match not
at all.
If you want to say that satisfied your expectations, then
that’s fine and there is no argument to be made. If you say that it was in any way a “match”
then you are wrong.
Why did my comment dissapear?
ReplyDeletethe last line is a link
ReplyDeleteHurrah!
ReplyDeletePlease don't disparage "staged fake" matches. I’m really not sure there’s anything stupider for a wrestling fan to do.
ReplyDeleteWhich one? I know you probably mean the former, but I'd be thrilled if it was the latter.
ReplyDeleteNobody gets knocked out like that in a fixed fight. Nobody.
ReplyDeleteOppressed.
ReplyDeletePlease disparage the kind of product I enjoy, bro. If you able to make a connection between realistic looking brawling and headlocks then good for you. I don't like it. It's a personal preference. I wish wrestling would start acting like its real more than it's fake, in all aspects of the sport, all companies. I thought the Rollins/Ambrose brawl was closer to realistic and I enjoyed it.
ReplyDeleteA non-finish (at the end of an actual match) would have built the same/more amount of interest, and they could then have Summerslam be no DQ/falls count anywhere or whatever. Stop trying to defend it dude, that whole bit with Ambrose jumping out of the trunk was lame as fuck anyway.
ReplyDeleteOk, then it was a segment, which is what a match in 2014 is. And I thought it was effective.
ReplyDeleteThere nothing worse right now in the WWE than people facing each other over and over again. How many times have the Usos have faced the Wyatts? Or a combination of Cena, Orton, Kane and Reigns? Ya it sucks that they cancelled the match, but I'd rather them build it up and actually make their first match actually matter than it being on some random PPV or Raw.
ReplyDeleteWell, I completely agree with your last two sentences and
ReplyDeletedidn’t mind the segment at all, even though I paid for the PPV in a country
that doesn’t get the Network. But the staged fake criticism makes it seem like
you’re coming to a wrestling forum to criticise people for liking wrestling
matches, which seems silly and only likely to cause annoyance. I’d drop that
angle.
You're being defensive. The problem isn't with me.
ReplyDeleteThis is beyond sad now.
ReplyDeleteNo offense, but hadn't we talked about Battleground enough on Sunday night and Monday?
ReplyDeleteD'oh.
ReplyDeleteGood point.
ReplyDeleteSeth did call Dean a piece of shit and the mics picked it up, so this was a win in my book
ReplyDeleteA damn shame being in the PG era. That ring mat at Summerslam should be SOAKED red after the Rollins/Ambrose match.
ReplyDeleteI do not agree with any reasoning to bait-and-switch matches like that on PPV/Special Events. Always deliver for the paying customer, especially when you're desperately trying to sell something. Even if you're on the side of 'it's a fake sport, matches mean nothing', the results still matters to the majority.
ReplyDeleteLove me some DDT!
ReplyDeleteSeeing as you never specified what is sad now, I'm going to assume it's your very existence.
ReplyDelete"Some saying DDT's brand of comedy is akin to WWE's brand of comedy.
ReplyDeleteOthers choosing to differ based on DDT being up front, while WWE makes
you think you're getting Rollins/Ambrose, instead filling the gap with
Divas matches and lemon party references."
Hey, another "Japan is better than that swill you watch" jab! You're on a roll -- two days in a row!
Or you could just ignore it, and not take things personally.
ReplyDeleteIt's not personal. Just writer-to-writer sarcasm. Plus the bastard got paid off by my rival Hall on BoD Raw so I have to needle him.
ReplyDeleteHe's so desperate for attention these days.
ReplyDeleteI look at it this way: Had Ambrose jumped Rollins on the way to the ring, the bell is rung, they have the same pull-apart brawl, they fight to the back, referee counts both men out, parking lot hijinks follow... I think most fans would still have complained about the lack of a legit match between the two. You could argue the quality of the intensity of the brawl, and how it makes sense given the characters, but it's still an unrateable brawl. But at least it would have been an actual match. Appearances matter, and cutting out the bell-to-bell trappings of a bona fide match legitimately rubbed people the wrong way. So now, following logic and precedence set, why should we fans expect a match at SummerSlam? Shouldn't we expect something similar given Ambose's fury, Rollins' weaselness and Triple H's running interference?
ReplyDeleteIt was an angle, and one done on a show that WWE was already having a hard time convincing fans it mattered. Yes, each show sets up the next, but we don't like having it so blatantly put in our faces that "this show doesn't matter, the next one is more important!" It's booking like that which had been killing buyrates already, and especially dangerous now that these shows are expected to sell the Network. WWE is already seeing how many people are subscribing for the vintage content and it's not enough to sustain the Network. They need to convince those 4 million+ weekly RAW viewers to subscribe. Pretty hard to do when you put on shows that you as much as outright tell them don't matter.
ReplyDeleteThat argument is as old as the day is long.
ReplyDelete"assuming Brock murdercrushesdestroys Cena at Summerslam"
ReplyDeleteFoolish assumption, mate
"Let's talk about.....Battleground"
ReplyDeleteI'd really rather not.
See the mat at the end of the night at Starrcade '83 for reference. It looked like someone was slaughtering pigs on it.
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