Today’s Question: If you could change one match result from wrestling history, which would it be, and why?
We’ll get into the nitty gritty of that tomorrow. Start the discussion right away by scrolling to the end of this. Otherwise, stick around to talk about the ladies.
Yesterday, I asked you about the best women’s match you ever saw? The responses varied from the WWE crowd, to the International crowd, as you’d expect. Here’s what you said...
jobber123: Sasha Grey vs Bree Olson
Last I heard, Charlie Sheen was winning.
James: Lita vs.Trish Stratus, the match that main evented Raw in 2004.
MrJustinB: Trish vs Lita, for Trish's retirement is a long time favorite of mine.
Lots of love for the Trish / Lita series that dominated the WWE’s ladies division for nearly 5 years. Lita was always a little sloppy, but Trish was a ring general who was able to keep it contained – and what resulted was the absolute pinnacle of women’s wrestling on the mainstream circuit.
WILLYOUSTOP?!?: Jumping Bomb Angels v. Glamour Girls from Royal Rumble '88 for a North American match.
This one was brought up tons throughout the comments; and if you’ve never seen it, you’re missing out on something special. The fact that Vince didn’t see money in these ladies, and build the entire division around them is a travesty.
DJ Sprite: As great as the Lita/Trish matches were, Lita vs. Stephanie McMahon in the main event of raw is the greatest. Rock as the special ref. Interference from Austin and HHH, the hardy boyz, and the pop when Lita won. First time women ever main evented raw and they stole the damn show.
This was actually a big, big deal at the time. It was obviously a ballsy move to put the women in the main event of RAW when they still had WCW on the other channel, though the blow was softened by having Rocky and Hunter hanging around. The fans were absolutely rabid, and as noted, the pop was incredible. Really made the division feel special again, even for a minute.
ONITA100: Megumi Kudo vs. Combat Toyoda (No Rope Electrified Barbed Wire Match) From 1996, been my favorite womens match since I first saw it in the late 90's on a bootleg tape, so I doubt anything I will see even in the future will top it. Absolutely brutal match that is LOADED with emotion. Just wild. They both busted their asses to a level you wont ever see a diva reach. The chemistry between them is great, and their matches always have that Sting/Vader vibe. And for note, the sacrifice spot at 25:55 in the vid I posted is one of my favorite spots ever
Holy ... shit. That was a little uncomfortable to watch. I think I’m part of the macho boat who never wants to see the women *really* get their asses kicked, and this was a lot to watch. Great match, but I don’t think I could do it again.
Eric Von Erich: Dynamite Kansai & Mayumi Ozaki & Cuty Suzuki & Hikari Fukuoka (JWP team) vs. Aja Kong & Kyoko Inoue & Takako Inoue & Sakie Hasegawa (AJW team) from 7/31/93. It starts off with the "first attack," which is four separate five-minute singles matches. There are no "winners" in these singles matches. If you beat your opponent your team gets a point and you keep wrestling until the five minutes are up. After the first attack, it turns into an 8 woman ironman-rules tag match. The team with the most points at the end of 60:00 is declared the winner. Great action throughout and perfect booking of the falls. It's a unique format that I wish WWE would use for a PPV main event.
Bud, you lost me just explaining the rules. If I need it written down, and a math teacher standing over my shoulder taking me through what’s going on, it’s probably too much for me. But, we’ll let the readers decide.
joedust: Micke James v. Trish Stratus is probably the best women's match of this era. It had a very strong angle leading into it and the match was awesome. Mickie James in particular exclled in her role, and the crowd gave her a babyface reaction when she won. I always loved that they thought that Micke's unwanted advances towards Trish would make Mickie a heel.
TONS of love from the board here. The angle was perfect. A couple years earlier, they had tried to create the creepy stalker angle against Trish with Victoria, and while it worked, they outdid themselves here. The not-so-secretly in love with Trish Stratus Mickie James played her role to perfection. And after months of subtle, and not so subtle advances, it all plays out on the biggest stage of them all with the mock cunnilingus in the middle of a hard fought, excellent match. Of course, this is the same company that didn’t try to hide Edge’s boner the following year during his live sex celebration – so class wasn’t exactly a top priority for the WWE a decade ago.
Elmo Machete: Not the "best" by any means, but my favorite is probably Trish/Steph. It took everybody by surprise and had NO reason to be as good as it was. That neckbreaker from Regal was siiick.
We’ve covered this at least two other times in QOTD previously, but yes, this really left everyone in shock. I think we all expected the usual ladies catfight, and we wound up with a pretty good brawl.
TheQatarian: Another in the "not necessarily the best, but certainly different" department: the Ivory/Tori hardcore match from a late-night Raw. This match had a little fire and hatred to it, which is something that has always generally been lacking in the women's division. Sadly, the feud didn't go anywhere.
Michael Weyer: Victoria vs Trish, Survivor's Series 2002 as they just beat the hell out of each other in a fun brawl.
Survivor Series 2002 is probably the PPV I’ve found has the most rewatchability over the last 10 years, because every match hits the point. Trish and Victoria was outstanding, as Trish was completely in the groove by this point making everyone look good except Jackie Gayda. Another great choice.
It’s nice to remember that the women don’t always bring the drek, and that there are a number of really talented women out there who take your entertainment very seriously. Thanks for everyone’s participation in the thread today. Enjoy your Sunday, and I’ll be back tomorrow.