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MeekinOnMovies On....Popeye (1980)


“I don’t have a photograph, but you can have my footprints. They’re upstairs in my socks.”
  - Groucho Marx

My sister grew up the biggest Michael Jackson fan. The weekend she visited me in Chicago, he died. She couldn't sleep. She loved Jackson, and played his music with pride through the trials and creepy accusations, trusting the art and not the artist, while every person she knew, myself included, would continuously take cheap shots. 

Hours after the news broke, we walked down Michigan Avenue and cars rolled by blaring 'Beat It', 'The Way You Make Me Feel', and other classic Jackson songs. My sister...was annoyed. She liked Jackson when no one else did, and now everyone was back on his bandwagon like they never once called him a pedophile or pervert. It didn't feel...fair.

But it wasn't up to my sister to to judge how people took Jackson's death, just like it's not up to me to judge how folks react to Robin Williams', as memes and quotes and 'best tribute yet' articles take the place of genuine original thought. So, I thought late Tuesday evening, What can I watch with Williams in it? How can I honor Mr. Williams' legacy in a way that isn't typical? I looked at The Fisher King, Awakenings, and our family's decades old Aladdin, The Bird Cage, and Mrs. Doubtfire VHSes. Then I saw it.

The Popeye movie. One of the first movies I ever watched. My great Grandpa brought it sometime before he died, and was babysitting, so I must have been under 5 years old. I hated it. What a perfect little personal tribute, re-visiting a movie with Robin Williams in it I watched before I even knew who Robin Williams was, before the world even knew who Robin Williams he really was. Surely, this movie would make a bit more sense now that I've maturagated.

Well, no.

Robert Altman's 1980 Popeye is...inexplicable, but I'll try to explain it anyway. As a prelude, here's Shelly Duvall singing a most remorseful song about Bluto's sole redeeming quality.

His...largeness.

If the name Popeye, or Whimpy, Bluto, Swee' Pea, and Olive Oyl don't ring any bells for you, worry not, whipper-snapper, knowledge of the Popeye canon will only serve to make this movie even more baffling than it already is. The setup is a Popeye origin story. Popeye, played by Robin Williams, arrives in town via dinghy in search of his pappy. All he has to go on is a picture frame...which says "my pappy" on it - one of numerous sight gags played totally straight, and it's accompanied by a heart-wrenching moment as Popeye says if he can't find his Pappy, worse case scenario they'll see each other in 30 or so years when they're both dead.

Popeye rents a room from the Oyl family, and the rest is more or less history. A love triangle (sorta), an abandoned baby, happily paying Tuesday for a hamburger today, spinach, "I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam," and so on. The gang's all here as they say.

But...man is this Popeye movie weird. Not bad weird, but not good weird, either. Picture watching a full grown man in a diaper juggling ostrich eggs on a pogo stick to 'Oliver!' soundtrack. You have no idea what the hell is going on, but it's clear a lot of love and time and care went into creating...whatever it's supposed to be.

The best way to describe the whole affair would be to imagine if the 1960s Batman sitcom took itself even the smallest bit seriously. Silly costumes, prat falls, sight gags, sound effects - they're all present and accounted for, but none of the characters, not a one, wink at the camera to let us know this is a comedy,  even as Bluto stalks around a room pulling flowers off a daisy going "She loves me, she loves me not" and pummeling anyone in front of him whenever he lands of "loves me not". Then Bluto busts out into a song called "I'm mean" and you just kinda go with it. It's camp without the marshmallows.


But if anyone can own a movie dances the line between comedy, musical, drama, and high-art farce, it'd be Robin Williams. And Williams' Popeye is...interesting. A great deal of his dialog had to be re-recorded as the microphones couldn't pick up his kind of low, mumbling, Nick-Nolte-after-a-bender growl, and often times his mouth doesn't sync up with the audio, resulting in this live action flick having cartoon-esque voice over work that's kind of hard to hear sometimes.

But when it works, it works. Popeye is a kind man who means well despite his total lack of education. The movie's most interesting moments feature Popeye standing up for himself or others, and despite routinely butchering the English language - "Another thing I got is a sensk of humiligration. Now, maybe you swabs can pool your intelligensk and sees that I'm axking you for an apologeky." - his noble spirit shines through loud and clear.

Anytime Popeye subverts the idea of what a 'tough guy sailor' should be, it captures a strange kind of magic. Especkially during a boxing match where his foe's mother is ring-side and Popeye refuses to fight in her presence. The scene is so chaotic and silly and flat out weird, that this subtle gesture results in a busted gut. There's another tender moment, where Popeye (Or Mr. Eye as the Oyl family refers to him as) reflects on the abandoned baby he and Olive came across - "If I was gonna be Swee'Pea's mother, I should've at least let Olive be his father. Or viska versa. I ain't man enough to be no mother.".
Thus, Popeye is not easy. It's not an action movie, that's for damn sure, and it's a strangely subtle comedy considering the insanity of the wardrobe and forearms on display. So, we're in a territory where I have absolutely no idea what the fuck to think. The characters are nothing if not interesting, the scenery is nothing if not pretty, music nothing if not catchy, and there's certainly nothing else on God's green earth like it. There's also the fact superstar producer Robert Evans got busted trying to buy cocaine on set, and Director Robert Altman spent so much money on building the sets that they forgot to leave room in the budget for believable special effects so the big climatic fight at the end feels a little..flaccid, which is to say the story behind the movie is just as bizarre as the movie itself. 
Popeye Village still stands in Malta.
Aside from whether or not Popeye is 'good', the message it communicates absolutely is. The message? A person need not be intelligent to be a good person. Nor do they need to be articulate to be polite, or educated to be smart. They need not be well balanced or large or rich or pay for their meals. They need to mean well, and do well for others when they can, and that's all you can really hope for in another soul.
Like the late Robin Williams, "Popeye" the character and Popeye the movie are enigmatic. They're all surface level cartoons, larger than life, silly, and maybe you only understand about half of what's coming out of their mouths and a third of what's turning the gears behind the curtain. Regardless, there's a zen-like simplicity to Popeye and his "I am what I am" mantra. We are who we are, and that's all that we are, but unfortunately, for many of us, that's not enough.

Comments

  1. The world was pretty aware of who Robin Williams was.

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  2. Popeye as always one of my favorite movies growing up, and to this day might be my favorite Robin Williams movie. It's fun, over the top, and has heart.

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  3. Yeah, Williams was already well-known for his stand-up appearances on
    television, was on the #3 show on all of television, won a Golden Globe
    for Mork & Mindy, won a Grammy Award in 1979 for a hit comedy
    record, and was even on the cover of Time magazine in March of 1979:
    http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1979/1101790312_400.jpg

    While Popeye was his first movie, he was already a TV and standup star. He wouldn't have gotten the Popeye role if he wasn't already a star. Keep in mind that Dustin Hoffman was in the running for the Popeye role, and Williams got it instead. That wouldn't happen to an unknown.

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  4. Right but what I'm saying is this is Robin William's first starring role and the initiation point for him becoming the movie superstar he would become

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  5. That's true, but the phrasing of "before the world even knew who Robin Williams he really was" says otherwise

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  6. the key phrase being 'really'. We all knew who Chris Pratt was, sorta, but now we know know what he is capable of after The Lego Movie and Guardians.

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  7. It's weird because it doesn't really recognize the over the top element at all. It's oddly subtle in its characterizations and such.

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  8. this show even looks like a drag on paper. The only obscure wrestler from this time missing on this card was sam houston lol... Bayless you going to review Summer Slam tn?? Please??

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  9. Chris Pratt's popularity pre-Lego and pre-Guardians wasn't even a fraction of Williams' in 1980. Williams was a bonafide major television and standup star.

    Just because Williams hadn't been a movie yet doesn't mean he wasn't well known or that people didn't know what he was capable of.

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  10. I actually have to work till 9 then I have a fantasy football draft at 930 so I can't review the show for at least a few days

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  11. I think it proved that Williams could perform well/carry a feature length film doing an oddball/quirky character, although Popeye was WAY more down to earth than Mork was, obviously.

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  12. “I don’t have a photograph, but you can have my footprints. They’re upstairs in my socks.”
 - Groucho Marx

    Nothing to do with the rest of the review, but at least it’s not a Japense proverb

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  13. Explaining it to someone who's never seen the movie makes it seem much more out there than it is by watching it. I remember describing it to someone and they thought I was insane. Then they watched it with me and loved it.

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  14. Right. It's the difference between Bruce Willis in Moonlighting then doing Blind Date, and then him doing Die Hard.

    Folks knew who he was and what he was capable of, but it's safe to say Bruce Willis wasn't BRUCE WILLIS until after Die Hard, ya know?

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  15. Well it kind of plays into the lack of actual photograph of Pappy Popeye, and then the general silly / bizarre nature of the movie in general.

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  16. I love that scene when he's talking to the picture, only to reveal it's just an empty frame with "My Papi" written on the board. I don't want to sound like a pussy, but the stuff with Popeye and Swee'Pea is very touching.

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  17. Agreed. I actually brought up that "He's Large" song to a friend without mentioning the context and she was fairly certain Olive was talking about a penis.

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  18. I love this movie. I used to have (maybe still do somewhere) a trade paperback sized photonovel of the movie, with balloon captions on the pictures. Williams was really good in the movie, as was Shelly Duvall. The sets are great, and director Altman employs his usual layered dialogue technique to make a movie that is dense with detail. It's maybe a weird adaptation of the classic Popeye cartoons, but it does capture a lot of the spirit of the comic strips. It makes a good double feature with "Annie" if musicals based on comic strips are your thing.

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  19. But see, thats impossible, because he once had a QOTD about shit.

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  20. "She liked Jackson when no one else did." Sweet mother of Christ, is your world insular. Michael Jackson is no lower than the #2 most popular music artist of all-time. There was never a time when no one else liked him. You consistently overshoot your intended point with hyperbole, then get defensive when people call you on it. It's just shitty writing, man.

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  21. What a dog shit baby face team in that 6 man. Although, the heel side wasn't much better either.

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  22. Those QOTD's were shit. Meekybone needed the time away to just compress. His last few articles have been great. Quality over quantity. I would recommend Popeye on shrooms.

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  23. Disagreed. lots of people who were hating on MJ were all of a sudden in love with his music again. People I dealt with on a daily basis, that is. I don't keep tabs on the Internet Music Community.

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  24. I blame his sister in this instance. I thought it fit in well enough with the rest to not be an article killer.

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  25. Stranger in the AlpsAugust 17, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    Popeye was one of the first movies I saw. I enjoyed it as a kid. Unfortunately, the film has not aged all that well, and as an adult I think the movie doesn't work.

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  26. I'm currently in 8 different leagues. I thought about joining another, and drafting nothing but Raider players, as an experiment to see if I could win my league by doing something so ridiculous (I'd have other guys on my bench for when Oakland is on their bye week). But then, Matt Schaub once again proved he's Matt Schaub during the preseason, and now I'm thinking fuck that idea.

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  27. Good Will Hunting was the one I rewatched - I actually shed a few tears before going back to my strictly non-teary always cool calm and collected and picking up chicks everywhere life

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  28. Yeah, that teamed sucked.

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  29. You have an encyclopedic like knowledge of Robin Williams career

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  30. This movie, in the very long run, got us the casting for Claire Lynch in TNA

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  31. That was on my list. I was kinda pondering what to watch, and initially I was thinking a re-watch of that, or Mrs. Doubtfire, but I saw the VHS and this dopey smile went over my face. It hit like a over 9000 nostalgia factor - my old house, my childhood, my grandpa, Robin Williams, Popeye, and so on.

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  32. Also doesn't the background music in the Olive Oil video up there sound like the Final Fantasy theme?

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  33. I didn't say there weren't bandwagon jumpers after he passed. I'm saying that there was NEVER a time when "no one" liked him. Of course there was a backlash after the sexual abuse allegations became public. Deservedly so. But it's completely asinine to claim, at any point, that no one liked Michael Jackson. It's fucking Michael Jackson!

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  34. Mister_E_BarrettsLastPrivateerAugust 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

    A bit, yeah.

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  35. Mister_E_BarrettsLastPrivateerAugust 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM

    And that is a really weird song.

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  36. You're comparing Williams' career pre-1980 to Bruce Willis' in fucking MOONLIGHTING!?

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  37. You're getting caught up in semantics here. Just like you can feel the whole word is against you, or how I can have the weight of the world on my shoulders, or how Great Khali has the mobility of Tractor Trailer, it's using exaggeration to make a point that generally speaking being a die-hard Michael Jackson fan wasn't very couth.

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  38. 16 Emmy Nominations and re-defining the single camera comedy can't be ignored, Satan.

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  39. "You're getting caught up in semantics here."

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  40. My point, which you seem very eager to miss in favor of just arguing with me because summerslam is a few hours away and you've already masturbated four times today, is that both of these people, Williams and Willis, had careers, and were relatively popular, but in 1980 to say Williams was a bankable Hollywood Superstar and a truly household name is a little bit of stretch. This was his first major movie, and we can all agree far more people knew who Williams was in 1990 than they did in 1980, ya know?

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  41. you realize that there were only 3 TV stations back when Williams started right? And Happy Days was kind of a big deal. So uh, yeah the world (which for movies was just the US at the time) did know who Robin Williams was.

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  42. Mork appeared in season 5 of Happy Days...which averaged a 31.4 rating. So yeah, he was "slightly" more visible than Bruce Willis. And really, do you ever fact check your writing? Or look up statistics? Its one of the reasons you come across as the hack you are. People point out factual errors and you come back with "semantics" when its not even close to the same.

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  43. Has Mario Mancini ever executed a single offensive move? I know he's a jobber, but geez.

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  44. Mister_E_BarrettsLastPrivateerAugust 17, 2014 at 3:50 PM

    Once you do something like that, it's really hard to come back.


    Really hard.

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  45. Mister_E_BarrettsLastPrivateerAugust 17, 2014 at 3:52 PM

    Meekybone?

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  46. Mister_E_BarrettsLastPrivateerAugust 17, 2014 at 3:54 PM

    My biggest takeaway from these comments is that apparently there was a television program called "Moonlighting" that stared the guy from Sixth Sense.


    Live and learn.

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  47. how are "I am defending my favorite star in spite of heavy accusations" and "I don't want to watch the same Robin Williams movie like everybody else!" in any way the same?

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  48. I've always loved the old cartoons, but the movie is...different.

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  49. First, okay, Robin Williams was in one episode of Happy Days seen by lots of people. Fine. Cool. Okay, Robin Williams had a fan base and a sizable one at that.

    The point I was making is that I thought it would be interesting to watch a Robin Williams movie that came out before Robin Williams was "Robin Williams" movie superstar. You can't deny the dude is more popular today, at this instant, than he was in 1980, right?


    Second, regarding Bruce Willis, it's called a comparison. No comparison is going to be exactly the same, that's why you're comparing the two things. Bruce Willis was a relatively popular TV star who had a couple of movie roles before breaking out huge and being more popular that ever. Is it completely fucking unfathomable to say that Robin Williams career arc was similar? Relatively popular comedian and actor, in a couple of movies, then he eventually breaks out into super stardom?

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  50. MeekinOnDongs

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  51. If you really want to be different, review the Popeye Atari game.

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  52. When I say that you're the worst writer on the internet, I'm using exaggeration to say that you're writing isn't very good.

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  53. That described the smark writing style on display in the iwc very welll

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  54. Youre a person who might want to get out of the review game. I don't want to hear you killed yourself.

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  55. Robin Williams was huge by 1980, already a pop culture icon, was on Happy Days, and was a big stand-up comedian.

    Bruce Willis before Die Hard was That Guy From Moonlighting.

    There's no similarity. Unless in the fact that they're both actors. "Well, Robin Williams is kinda like Pacino in that Robin wasn't huge until the '80s, and Pacino wasn't big until the first two Godfathers". Yep, really similar, and I proved it.

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  56. No, it's satin! Soft, luscious satin!

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  57. It also gave us a great story in the Robert Evans book "The Kid Stays In The Picture" about how Robert had to lie to Henry Kissinger to get out of a possible arrest for sneaking drugs into Malta while working on the film.

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  58. Ironically the QOTD was one of the few well-written ones.

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  59. "My sister grew up the biggest Michael Jackson fan. The weekend she visited me in Chicago, he died."

    I don't know about this weekend that she visited you in Chicago. You make it seem infamous, when of course, it's not.

    "VHSes"

    Come on.

    "My great Grandpa brought it sometime before he died, and was babysitting, so I must have been under 5 years old."

    I don't care. Get on with the review.

    "My sister...was annoyed." "It didn't feel...fair." "His...largeness." "a picture frame...which"

    A space should alwasys follow an ellipsis. Because you use them so often, this really stood out for me.

    "If the name Popeye, or Whimpy, Bluto, Swee' Pea, and Olive Oyl don't ring any bells for you,"

    nameS

    "Popeye rents a room from the Oyl family, and the rest is more or less history."

    Previously in your review you acknowledged that the reader may not have any knowledge of Popeye, but that this would only hold them back. Fair enough, but at least provide a quickie summary for those clueless readers, in a sentence or two.

    "But if anyone can own a movie dances the line between comedy, musical, drama, and high-art farce"

    A movie *which* dances, I presume.

    "I have absolutely no idea what the fuck to think"

    As reviews go, this one tells me that you found it weird, that 'when it works, it works' and that again, it's weird.

    Needs more insight, less familial background info.

    "Regardless, there's a zen-like simplicity to Popeye and his "I am what I am" mantra. We are who we are, and that's all that we are, but unfortunately, for many of us, that's not enough."

    Decent enough if trite wrap-up.

    Overall: A massive improvement on your previous effort, with really just basic typing/spelling/grammar faults this time around. You still do too much 'framing' of the thing that you are reviewing, which just isn't interesting for the reader - I don't care about your family, just give me a reason to want to read about what you think about Popeye.

    Your motivation for the opening two paragraphs being about Michael Jackson isn't really clear - I got what you were going for, but I think you needed a line or two at least to actually spell it out.

    You appear to have done some research this time!

    Your opinions aren't strong enough to really shine out (it's not up to you to judge... the movie is 'weird'), which makes it all a bit murky as to whether or not you enjoyed the movie. I don't have to *agree* with you on your points and don't care what your opinions are. But there's presently a lack of passion that makes it less a review and more an acknowledgement of sorts that there is a Popeye film. Which I already knew.

    C-, and a polite 'well done', Meekin. Much better.

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  60. It would be far easier for you here to just say 'Fair point, well made' and move on, here, accepting the (initial, gentle) criticism.


    Because your argument is nonsense. They knew who he REALLY was. They knew what he was capable of at THAT point. He was, as many have pointed out, a big star already on TV.

    And when does he become the Robin Williams that, in your eyes, had 'made it'? When he gets his first Best Actor nom. for Good Morning Vietnam? When he is nominated again, for Dead Poet's Society? When he wins an Oscar for Good Will Hunting? Ultimately, this is subjective.


    Therefore, you cannot really be telling people that, in 1980, people did not 'really' know who he was, but that later, for private reasons that you won't let us in on, people DID. This is the arrogance of a critic.


    I'm going to assume therefore that you mean his work on the film RV. I shouldn't have to assume, and the people questioning this should be met with your acknowledgement that they ask a good question. Not pissiness.

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  61. Mr. Satan has raised a good point about semantics. You've been needlessly aggressive in response. This only makes you look bad.

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  62. You're writing on a wrestling site ergo you are part of the IWC hence why are you knocking your own writing style, smark?

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  63. I thought it was fine in theory but he didn't really make a point with it.

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  64. I think you mean to decompress.

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  65. Not really. Parks and Recreation is a niche sitcom that attracts more acclaim than viewers while Mork and Mindy was huge. Everyone knew who Robin Williams was.

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  66. Popeye was actually an infamous failure when it came out. It had nothing to do with people knowing who Williams was in 1990.


    I think you're missing the point in favour of watching lumberjack shows that you claim don't exist.

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  67. I did! Thanks. Talk about a brain fart! I blew it on that one.

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  68. Ohhh can I play too?

    "worse case scenario they'll see each other in 30 or so years when they're both dead."

    *worst

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  69. I suppose it would be a moot point, in hindsight, to mention that this was just a thought I had at 1am on Tuesday morning and wasn't a thought I researched or thought an important component of anything other than Williams wasn't as popular when that movie came out, as he would be later?

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  70. A simple I was wrong would do just fine

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  71. I was gonna watch One Hour Photo, but I still lack a functional television so all my DVDs are useless.

    No mention of the Harry Nilsson soundtrack? I haven't heard it, I just wish to create more awareness of Nilsson.

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