Bound
For Glory 2014
Date:
October 12, 2014
Location:
Korakuen Hall, Tokyo, Japan
Commentators:
Mike Tenay, Taz
Reviewed by Tommy Hall
Official
subtitle: TNA sends its B team to Japan for a tape delayed Wrestle-1
show with matches first mentioned on TV four days ago that has
nothing to do with current storylines that they have the nerve to ask
you to pay $50 for while shouting about how this is all about giving
the fans the best. FEEL THE ELECTRICITY! Let's get to it.
The
opening video talks about how this is a night unlike any other and
how the biggest stars of both promotions are going at it. We also
get a video on the Muta vs. Sanada feud.
The
arena isn't very big and only holds about 2,000 people.
JB
welcomes us to the show and we're ready to go.
Manik
vs. Minoru Tanaka
It's
back in a four sided ring. Feeling out process to start until Tanaka
scores with a nice dropkick. Manik comes right back by sending him
out to the floor but misses a plancha. He goes under the ring though
and sneaks up on Tanaka for a neckbreaker. A dropkick gets two for
Manik and he cranks on the arm while holding a chinlock.
Tanaka
gets suplexed down for two as Tenay talks about Manik being the
youngest non-Japanese wrestler to ever perform in New Japan. There's
something close to a story here as Tanaka used to mentor Manik at the
start of his career. Not that there's any hostility or anything but
they did know each other before this. A missile dropkick and knee
drop get two for Tanaka but Manik dropkicks him back to the floor.
Tanaka blocks another dive with a kick to the face and hits a middle
rope moonsault to send Manik into the barricade.
Back
in and Manik avoids a charge and hits another missile dropkick before
throwing him into the air for a kick to the face. Tanaka gets his
knees up to block a frog splash before yet another running dropkick
sends Manik into the corner. A superplex into a hiptoss gets two on
Manik as the fans are finally getting into this. They trade some
nice rollups until Manik plants him with a brainbuster for another
near fall. Manik gets the same off a gutbuster but walks into a kick
to the head followed by a cross armbreaker for the submission at
9:57.
Rating:
B-. This was actually a solid
back and forth match but it sums up the problem with this entire
show: I have no reason to care about these guys and the entire show
is going to be based on the action. Something tells me the rest of
the card isn't going to be this solid, and this match wasn't even all
that great. Still though, good opener.
We'll
be looking at great moments in Team 3D's history, starting with
Slammiversary 2006 against Rick Steiner and Animal. They couldn't
even get one of the 3D vs. Steiners matches? We see the last three
minutes or so.
Ethan
Carter III talks about stabbing Spud in the heart with his words on
Wednesday. Spud knew he was on borrowed time when he allowed Dixie
to be sent through a table. Ethan has a replacement for Spud though
and he'll debut on Wednesday. He's ready to start EC3 Year 2 with a
win over a former sumo wrestler tonight.
We
recap Ethan's rookie year in TNA where he still hasn't submitted or
been pinned.
Ethan
Carter III vs. Ryota Hama
Before
the match Ethan is pleased with the respect the fans show him here.
He speaks “Japanese”, meaning very slow English, talking about
how he's rich, undefeated and good. Carter talks about beating every
TNA Hall of Famer at their own game so he's going to slam Hama
tonight. He says slam ham over and over again and declares himself
huge in Japan.
Hama
is disturbingly fat and dresses exactly like Rikishi. He powers
Carter into the corner with ease of course so Carter bails to the
floor. Tenay tries to give us a brief history of Japanese wrestling
as Carter gets dropped with a shoulder block. Back in and Hama runs
him over out of a sumo position but misses a big fat splash. Carter
of course can't slam him and a big elbow drop gets two. A running
Umaga attack in the corner gets the same but Hama misses a seated
senton. Carter still can't slam him and Hama falls on top for two.
We get the required Stink Face but Carter comes back with a 1%er for
the pin at 6:00.
Rating:
D. Remember when I said it
wasn't going to stay as good as the opener? I was correct earlier
than I thought with this standard comedy match. Go back and watch
any given Rikishi match and you've seen the same match you got here.
Nothing to see here but at least Carter won.
Team
3D vs. Beer Money from Lockdown 2009.
MVP
talks about how awesome the Japanese wrestlers are and how they put
fear in the hearts of sports entertainers. He doesn't know much
about Sakamoto but the little bit he's seen hasn't impressed him.
Tonight though, Sakamoto will be impressed.
MVP
vs. Kazma Sakamoto
Remember
Tensai's worshipper? Well he returns here as a, ahem, star. MVP is
the huge face here due to his time in New Japan. He takes Sakamoto
down as Tenay recaps Sakamoto's time in WWE. Sakamoto runs from MVP
as we really haven't had a ton of contact yet. MVP gets in a shot to
knock Sakamoto out to the floor as Tenay's history lessons continue.
Back
in and MVP drops some knees on the face for two but Sakamoto comes
back with uppercuts. A few kicks to the legs have MVP in trouble and
we hit the chinlock. Back up and Sakamoto misses the Ballin Elbow
and gets clotheslined in the corner. MVP nips up and hits the real
Ballin Elbow followed by a fisherman's suplex for two. Sakamoto
misses a running knee and gets his leg kicked out, setting up a
Shining Wizard for the pin at 8:02.
Rating:
C-. Nothing special here as it
was just a step above a squash for MVP. Sakamoto never posed a
threat here and MVP was over like free beer in a frat house. This
was another short match that didn't mean anything and was there for
the live crowd instead of the PPV crowd, but that's the case for the
entire card.
Samoa
Joe talks about how awesome the X-Division is and how tough a night
his opponents are in.
X-Division
Title: Samoa Joe vs. Kaz Hayashi vs. Low Ki
Joe
is defending. Hayashi is
probably best known in America as a low level cruiserweight guy about
fourteen years ago. Ki
takes over to start but Joe crushes both guys in the corner and kicks
Kaz in the head. There's
the chop to Hayashi's back but he fires off right hands to the
champ's face and knocks Joe to the floor. The
fans are behind Low Ki as he kicks both guys down and gets two on
Joe. Both challengers head
to the floor and get taken out by a big dive as we see the crowd
sitting still yet chanting at the same time.
Back
in and Low Ki chops at Joe but the champ busts out his powerbomb into
the crab into the STF until Hayashi remembers he's in this match and
puts Joe in a Crossface without breaking the hold on Ki. Hayashi
hits a kind of Zig Zag for two on Joe with Ki making the save. A
quick Warrior's Way gets two on Kaz and they head outside so Joe can
nail a double dive. Back in
and Kaz charges into a Rock Bottom out of the corner but Low Ki
breaks up the MuscleBuster. That earns him a Koquina Clutch and Ki
passes out to retain Joe's title at 10:30.
Rating:
C+. Not bad for the most part
here but it didn't mean anything for the most part. This was the
same three way style match TNA has done a dozen times with Hayashi
just being a warm body to fill out the match. The fact that the
winner was already spoiled with the TV tapings didn't help either.
Joe
thanks the fans in Japanese and says they're here to bring the world
together for the fans. He is Samoa Joe and he is professional
wrestling.
Another
great Team 3D moment: putting Dixie through a table.
Dreamer
says he's going to do the hardcore thing one more time with Team 3D.
He looks like he's about to cry because that's all Tommy Dreamer does
anymore.
Jiro
Kuroshio/Yusuke Kodama vs. Andy Wu/El Hijo del Pantera
Wrestle-1
match and I have no idea who any of these guys are. Wu, a guy that
moves a lot, starts with Kuroshio and Andy ducks a kick to the face.
Kuroshio wrestles in a jacket for some reason. Off to Kodama and
Pantera for a gymnastics demonstration capped off by a hurricanrana
from Pantera. An armdrag puts Kodama on the floor for a big flip
dive from Pantera. Back in and Kuroshio slams Pantera down and
adjusts his hair during the cover.
Kuroshio
gets two more off a standing corkscrew moonsault but stops to check
his hair. Back to Kodama for a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker for two on
Pantera as this just keeps going. Pantera finally crawls over for
the hot tag and Wu speeds things up a bit with flips. Kodama gets
double teamed into a 619 for two from Pantera. Wu dives over the top
onto Kuroshio and Kodama kicks Patnera in the face for two. Kuroshio
hits a big flip dive to take out Wu and Kodama nails a corkscrew
moonsault for the pin on Pantera at 9:20.
Rating:
C+. Well that happened. I
still have almost no idea who any of these people are and I have
almost no reason to care about any of them but, Kuroshio does indeed
wrestle in a jacket. It was your regular cruiserweight style tag
match and odds are I won't remember it in about fifteen minutes.
Video
on Team 3D's career and how much they deserve to be in the Hall of
Fame.
We
see Tommy Dreamer's induction speech and, say it with me, he cries.
Team 3D doesn't have a ton to say here other than how hard they've
worked to get here and how glad they are to be here. You
would think they could at least throw on a suit though.
Team
3D vs. Tommy Dreamer/Abyss
No
stipulations here for a change. I'm sure the rules will be enforced
too. Dreamer has a headband on to pay homage to Terry Funk. Long
intros fill even more time and the fans want tables. Ray speaks some
Japanese and we get handshakes from everyone but Abyss. Dreamer and
D-Von do some basic stuff to start before it's off to Abyss and Ray.
Tenay gets on my nerves even more by talking about the Full Metal
Mayhem match from Impact. They slug it out very slowly until Ray
nails a Rock Bottom.
Abyss
pops up with a chokeslam but Ray pops up. Ray avoids a splash and
D-Von comes in to clothesline Abyss out to the floor. The reverse 3D
plants Dreamer as they're still in about second gear. Dreamer takes
What's Up and it's table time. The tables are much smaller here and
we get the required ECW chant. The fight heads outside and Abyss
rings the bell on Ray's head. They fight around the arena and now
it's time for all of the weapons.
We
get duels with chairs and kendo sticks but Dreamer DDTs Ray as Abyss
chokeslams D-Von. Dreamer is thrown into a trashcan in the corner
and the Black Hole Slam gets two on Ray. Abyss nails him in the ribs
with a few chair shots but D-Von hits his spinebuster for two on
Abyss. D-Von goes up to drive Abyss through a table, only to have
Ray powerbomb Dreamer through it instead. Abyss busts out the tacks
and walks into 3D onto said tacks for no cover. Dreamer brings in
the cane and takes a 3D of his own for the pin at about 13:00.
Rating:
D+. This show is getting old in
a hurry. This was the same hardcore brawl we've seen a dozen times
before with nothing new and no doubt as to who was going to win.
Tenay mentioning the great Full Metal Mayhem match makes me want to
just go find a copy of that match instead, which is a really bad sign
for your biggest show of the year.
Post
match Team 3D says they love Japan
Velvet
says this is her first time in Japan (it isn't even her first time
this year) and says she isn't afraid of Havok.
We
recap Havok winning the Knockouts Title.
Knockouts
Title: Havok vs. Velvet Sky
Velvet
is challenging and is suddenly a face over here. Havok is from
Defiance, Ohio. Velvet fires off kicks to start and hits a few
middle rope ax handles. The champ comes back with shoulders in the
corner and a backbreaker. Off to a bearhug followed by a slam but
Velvet fights back with almost no effect. A headscissors puts Havok
down and a middle rope cross body gets two. Not that it matters as
Havok grabs another bearhug for the submission at 6:00.
Rating:
C-. This actually wasn't half
bad with Velvet fighting instead of getting squashed. It still
wasn't any good but Havok is a good choice for a monster champion.
Whoever eventually beats her is going to look like a big deal and
that's the whole point of building up a monster as champion.
James
Storm is sitting in what looks like a temple, talking about cutting
down Great Muta for the sake of the Revolution.
We
recap Muta/Tajiri vs. Sanada/Storm. Muta mentored Sanada but Storm
turned Sanada to the dark side. Tonight it's about revenge. This is
the only match that has gotten any sort of a build.
Great
Sanada/James Storm vs. Tajiri/Great Muta
Storm
gives a great speech about turning one of Japan's own against them.
That little bit of storyline actually felt really refreshing. Muta
sprays mist to start and gets things going with Sanada. They
fight over a leglock on the mat until Muta comes up and works on the
arm. It's back down to the
mat and Sanada sprays Mist at Muta but only hits air. Off
to Tajiri vs. Storm with James taking a bunch of kicks. Tajiri
grabs the beard but it's quickly back to Sanada, only to have him get
low bridged out to the floor.
Sanada
kicks Tajiri to the floor and
then under the ring as
things slow WAY down. Tajiri
has taken mist off camera and is blinded back inside. Storm
and Sanada start slowly double teaming as we're waiting on the hot
tag to Muta. A dropkick
gets two for Sanada and we hit the nerve hold.
Back
up and Sanada pulls out a white stick of some kind of nail Tajiri
again. Tajiri comes right back with a kick and tags in Muta to clean
house. Muta hammers on
Sanada and drops an elbow for two, only to get caught in Closing
Time. Storm drops a top
rope elbow and Sanada's moonsault gets two. Everything
breaks down and Storm is backdropped to the floor. Tajiri superkicks
Sanada down and it's a double mist and the Shining Wizard to give
Muta the pin at 10:50.
Rating:
D+. I just sat through this
whole show for an eleven minute main event. Storm not taking the pin
is a good thing, but it's not like this match means anything at the
end of the day. However, there's one thing that stands out above all
this: at the end of the day, the two oldest guys on the show stood
tall to end the show. Some things never change.
Storm
chokes Muta with the bullrope so Team 3D makes the save to end the
show. That would be four guys at least 41 years old ending the show.
Overall
Rating: D+. Here's the thing:
the show itself was just ok. Some of the matches weren't bad but for
the most part it was just the same kind of matches we've seen in
other forms dozens of times. It wasn't a bad show or anything but
it's totally forgettable with nothing standing out as a great or even
very good match. The opener is the best match and the X-Division
Title match is good depending on your taste but I've seen it done too
many times.
That
brings us to the big problem: this is Bound For Glory, not some One
Night Only show. The Global Impact Japan show was better than this
with more title matches, two title changes and cost $15 compared to
$50 for this one. The stalling was just pathetic and made me feel
like I was watching a low rent show from a low rent promotion.
TNA
rolled the dice here and I can get the idea behind it, but not for
Bound For Glory or when TNA is in the spot they're in. They don't
have another live event for three months and the only thing you hear
about TV is “it's coming”. This show might have helped set up
stuff in Asia, but if there's no product in America, there's nothing
to ship out to Asia. The
problem is this show was all for the Japanese fans, and the last
thing TNA should be doing right now is flipping off their loyal fans,
which are the only things keeping them going. This was a bad idea
but the intentions were good at least.
Results
Minoru
Tanaka b. Manik – Cross armbreaker
Ethan
Carter III b. Ryoto Hama – 1%er
MVP
b. Kazma Sakamoto – Shining Wizard
Samoa
Joe b. Low Ki and Kaz Hayashi – Koquina Clutch to Ki
Jiro
Kuroshio/Yusuke Kodama b. El Hijo del Pantera/Andy Wu – Corkscrew
moonsault to Pantera
Team
3D b. Abyss/Tommy Dreamer – 3D to Dreamer
Havok
b. Velvet Sky – Bearhug
Great
Muta/Tajiri b. Great Sanada/James Storm
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TNA treats Devon, Bully and Dreamer like their version of HHH, HBK and Undertaker. And 3D's contract is expired? I don't get why they treat these guys like all time greats.
ReplyDeleteThey're the closest thing to all time greats they have.
ReplyDeleteI posted in the live thread, but I guess it makes as much sense here....but wouldn't it be smart for TNA to price their PPVs in the $20-$25 range or no? I would never, EVVVER, pay $50 for their current product, but I could be convinced to spend $25. Maybe the number of buys wouldn't offset the difference though...
ReplyDelete"The stalling was just pathetic and made me feel like I was watching a low rent show from a low rent promotion."
ReplyDeleteYou were.
If WWE gives up 1/2 of the ticket price to the ppv distributors, how much do you think TNA gives up?
ReplyDeleteMaybe they only make $9.99 per PPV buy...?
ReplyDelete3 good matches.. Couldn't care less about the last 2 tags or the Hama match. But Ikeman Kuroshio on U.S. PPV & the always fun Kōrakuen Hall crowd made it a Thumbs-Slightly-Up show..
ReplyDeleteThese are guys that moved the needle for TNA. They got ratings up from 1.0 to 1.1....that's a VERY big deal.
ReplyDeleteAlso if they cut the price in 1/2, will the distributors go along with that? If they get 50% of $50, what incentive would they have to start taking 50% of $25?
ReplyDeleteI suppose the idea would be that the number of buys would go up, thus, they would make more money overall.
ReplyDeleteHow many buys does a typical TNA PPV get?
ReplyDeleteWhy not buy the standard definition one for $39 next time and save some money? Oh and it's not TNA's fault you read the spoilers beforehand.
ReplyDeleteNot bad for the most part here but it didn't mean anything for the most part.
ReplyDeleteSweet Jesus.
You try to think coherently watching this show.
ReplyDeleteTrue. It's their fault for putting on this drek.
ReplyDeleteThis show isn't worth 39. You're a monster. You're gimmick is tired. You make me sick, you total coward of an apologist and excuse maker. Fuck you.
ReplyDeleteYou're a fool.
ReplyDeleteDavey Boy Mootzer?
ReplyDeleteSomebody made the trip!
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjQFNS5FQrI
"Not bad but it didn't mean anything" describes everything for the most part.
ReplyDeleteHow old is muta? Can't believe that guy still wrestles
ReplyDeleteThe magic of a private company is that they don't have to explain shit like that.
ReplyDelete51.
ReplyDeleteNot very many for the most part.
ReplyDeleteAhh...ok, I thought that info had come out.
ReplyDeleteThey should have flown Gary Hart in to manage Muta one more time.
ReplyDeleteSpeculation and educated guesses have come out. But nobody outside of the company actually "knows"
ReplyDeleteFor the most part of the most part.
ReplyDeleteLaughed at the "you will spend more on the PPV than I paid for my seats and they were close" comment.
ReplyDeleteSubete ga seijōdearu.
ReplyDeleteThat's Japanese for "everything is fine."
Ok, thanks. I guess it's in the best interests of their business to keep that quiet.
ReplyDeleteI guess if you have to choose a Guns n' Roses song...
ReplyDeleteSheamus is a great wrestler who just can't talk or play face.
ReplyDelete"But he's got a great German suplex!"
ReplyDeleteI think it could be argued that Angle's suplexes have exasperated whatever problems he's had and made him more likely to drive drunk or stalk or whatever. This doesn't justify what he's done, but people clamoring for him to do the shit that keeps him hopped up on pills and booze and keeps giving him brain damage are-in a way-culpable for what he's done. The companies that hire him? They're culpable for his condition.
Who hasn't gotten a couple DUIs? That means he's a good, red-blooded American. U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
ReplyDeleteI don't have a drinking problem, everything else is the problem, drinking is the solution!
He won that medal close to 20 years ago. People get older, they break down.
ReplyDelete"If they can bring back RVD and Booker T, then why not Angle?"
ReplyDeleteBecause booze is much worse for you than weed.
You know who also shouldn't have stopped wrestling, even though his body had totally broken down? Misawa, yeah, who cares that his neck snapped and his heart stopped, we had a few more mediocre matches out of a one time great.
ReplyDelete8. Angle gets a DUI, fails a drug test, or dies moonsaulting off a cage.
ReplyDeleteI understand this. But people have been calling Angle broken down since 2007. He is and he isn't--but even when it looks like he's about to fall apart, he still puts on pretty good matches. My only point here is that it isn't "delusional" for someone to think that Angle can't pull out a good match even with all of the baggage he brings to the table. History shows that Angle puts on quality performances even when he's in rough shape.
ReplyDeleteMisawa at the end was still a better wrestler than most of today's crop, that doesn't mean he shouldn't have retired a decade before he did.
ReplyDeleteworse on your body, yes
ReplyDeleteworse in the public eye, no
he did have an legit VHS tape
ReplyDeleteoh it's true,
ReplyDeleteit's damn true
Foley said on Austin's podcast that he was going to try and come back one more time, but doctors basically told him no way, no how based on all the damage to his head over the years
ReplyDeleteThey keep bringing Flair back, and everyone seems to think he's drunk all the time.
ReplyDeleteRight. I really started watching habitually during the Monday Night Wars, but I was still familiar with guys from the 80s.
ReplyDeleteAll athlete's spout the line that they "don't follow" their sport.
ReplyDeleteAnd then they give in depth answers about specific people and the things they've done recently.
I agree with you about Edge, though. He's done and I'm quite happy that this is so, for his sake.
To exclusive WWE fans, I guess he's been retired for 8 or 9 years now. A Rumble appearance would bring the house down. Just as a fan of his matches & my wish for him to have as healthy of a life after wrestling as possible, I'd rather see him slide into some heel commentary after that than do anything else in the ring.
ReplyDeleteI like your Rumble idea, but I'd like to see Rusev eliminate a bunch of guys and get on the mic and say how Americans are inferior.. THEN Kurt Angle's music plays and the crowd goes crazy..
ReplyDeleteAre you going to argue that he isn't over though? Really, what Orton have you been watching?
ReplyDeleteAs long as he brings the beard with him Angle is welcomed back. Seriously there should be like a law requiring bald men to wear beards. And if you can't grow one, well, there will be like prison for you.
ReplyDeleteAlso Angle vs Goldberg at mania
Angle has more chance of good matches than RVD and ( maybe) Jericho. If he can't wrestle, he'd be a good GM style character if they wanted one.
ReplyDeleteA one year part time contract leading to retirement and a commentator/manager/GM slot would be more than worthwhile.
I get the feeling that the WWE is giving Angle an offer he would likely refuse because they don't really want him but they are going through the motions of negotiating just to humor him.
ReplyDeleteI've been watching the really boring one who's been doing the same exact boring match for ten years that generates no reaction from the audience. Is there another, more exciting version of Orton I've been missing?
ReplyDeleteKurt has a sufficient amount of personality that he doesn't really *need* to wrestle much if he comes back. I'm not exactly sure what you do with him though, and the real problem is it doesn't seem like WWE creative is actually creative enough to figure it out either. The "he's been gone too long" thing is just wrong though. He's shows up and gets a HUGE pop and probably an immediate "you suck" chant for good measure.
ReplyDeleteGotta agree with MrTuesdayNight here.
ReplyDeleteLike him or don't, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but there's really no denying that - at least since his heel-turn last year - his entrance is usually greeted with silence and apathy.
Most of the audience pops for the RKO and Draping DDT, and that's about it.
There's an interesting discussion: Is Brock a WWE or UFC guy?
ReplyDeleteSure, his biggest fame came from UFC, but I don't think he would have been as big if he weren't "the fake fighter" first. I'd say that he was more "WWE-grown".
I'd love to see Kurt Angle come back for one more match, *maybe* a second or third, but no way should he be back for even a part-time (TV, but not House Shows) deal.
ReplyDeleteHe has WAY too much baggage, and the increased travel and on-the-road lifestyle just seems like handing him a loaded gun. Sign him for a year, give him one or two matches with plenty of time in between, and THEN see how he's handling it - signing him right away to anything close to a "normal" schedule just seems like asking for trouble. If he does well, give him more, but don't push too hard right out of the gate.
Remember, Shawn originally only came back for one match, too.
Do people forget how damn good he is? At his best, some thought he was the second coming of Flair, with a dash of Michaels and a sprinkle of Jericho.
ReplyDeleteIf every single person in the damn arena had no idea who he was and they gave him twenty minutes, he'd be the talk of the audience as they filtered out of the arena.
I remember when the Dudleys first got brought in, I thought they were going to bust like Public Enemy did, then they changed their look and music and kicked their table gimmick into high gear.
ReplyDeleteI don't get this argument of whether WWE should sign Angle. They should be falling over themselves to sign him. He is one of the greatest in-ring wrestlers of all time and decent entertainer to boot. His time in TNA only added to his legacy. Angle-Bryan is one of the few legit dream matches left, you sign that for any show and even I would buy it and I haven't bought a WWE PPV since the Mania in Miami with Rock and Cena. Even if you only get one year out of him that a year of fresh matches that will be better than anything else on the show.
ReplyDeleteRight, but the thing that makes him a draw *now* is UFC, whereas nobody cares about Angle's TNA run. That said, you could use the same logic that Angle's more of an "Olympic" guy, I suppose, but I wouldn't subscribe to it.
ReplyDeleteMake him a manager/mouthpiece for Jack Swagger? Then you'd have a decent, 1-2 combo of "American heroes".
ReplyDeleteYeah, but they're not throwing Flair into the ring to bleed for money.
ReplyDeleteYeah, well I'm not saying they should make RVD champ.
ReplyDeleteBut Angle's trashed his body way more than those other guys, he's not healthy enough to wrestle and WWE shouldn't let him.
Oh, I wasn't comparing him to Angle, I just thought it was an interesting question.
ReplyDeleteafaik guys like Jericho, Austin etc. have all said that they watch "occasionally". that's why Edge stating him not watching anymore at all stood out to me that much.
ReplyDelete