Monday Nitro #207
Date: September 27,
1999
Location: Phillips
Arena, Atlanta, Georgia
Attendance: 11,919
Commentators: Tony
Schiavone, Bobby Heenan
Reviewed by Tommy Hall
It's time to continue
into this downward spiral that Nitro has become. Tonight they have a
major six man tag with Hogan/Hart/Flair teaming up to face
Luger/Sting/Page. Keep that in mind. This is one of the few times
that the show has set up a major match a week in advance and actually
hyped it up. I'll come back to that later. Let's get to it.
We open with Hogan
arriving in a limo to sign autographs for fans. Sting sneaks up on
him and speaks in a kid's voice for a distraction. Hogan, ever the
genius, falls for it and gets hit in the knee with the ball bat.
They're changing the main event aren't they?
Quick recap of last
week's major events.
The announcers preview
the show and oh man Heenan does not sound good. This could be a long
night.
Tenay tries to talk to
Hogan but Hulk gets inside anyway.
Sting says he isn't
done with Hogan tonight.
Before
the first match, Heenan goes on a RANT, ripping into WCW for being a
mess and telling him how to talk. From now on the Brain is back and
he isn't putting up with this nonsense. That's quite out of nowhere.
TV
Title: Ernest Miller vs. Chris Benoit
The
ring looks WAY bigger tonight for some reason. Like bigger than a
modern WWE ring. Cat is challenging after asking for a title shot
and doing his usual schtick. Benoit chops away to start and Miller
immediately bails to the floor. Back in and Chris misses a charge
into the corner and things slow down. Miller has “Godfather” on
his tights. I would make a joke about that being a lawsuit but it
probably was at this point. More kicking and choking ensues as
Miller is rapidly running out of offense to go through. A sunset flip
gets two for the champ but he walks into another superkick.
For a change of pace,
Sonny gets in some kicks on the floor. The lack of Revolution backup
tells you all you need to know about Miller and Onoo's standings.
Back in and Benoit ducks the Feliner and scores with a clothesline,
only to have Sonny try a choke. Even the referee doesn't think
enough of Miller to make it a DQ. Miller's loaded shoe kicks Onoo by
mistake and it's the German suplex followed by the Swan Dive and
Crossface to retain the title.
Rating:
D+.
It's nice to see Benoit get a win and for the TV Title to be defended
as it was intended to be for years. Miller losing is always a fun
thing to see, which really does make him decent as a heel. Yeah he's
annoying and limited in the ring, but the point of a heel is to see
them get what's coming to them, and that's what you saw here.
Nothing great but an acceptable match that the fans could get into.
Sid has chokeslammed
and powerbombed a lot of people.
Vampiro vs. Buff
Bagwell
Thank
goodness the Clowns are gone. Buff, now minus the mustache, takes a
kick to the face early on and Vampiro stomps away a lot. In the vein
of Ernest Miller, Vampiro goes up top for a kick this time to really
vary up his offense. Bagwell finally starts going with a monkey flip
before nailing him with a clothesline. Vampiro's hurricanrana is
countered with a powerbomb and they head outside with Vampiro sending
him into the steps.
A
chinlock goes nowhere as Heenan rips into Bagwell for the new facial
hair. Buff fights up but walks into the Nail in the Coffin, which is
just a regular move now. Vampiro misses a guillotine legdrop and
Buff starts his comeback, only to walk into an enziguri. They head
to the corner for a superplex but Buff shoves him off and hits the
Blockbuster for the pin. So NOW Buff's face push starts and will
take him up the card right?
Rating:
D.
These lower midcard matches are death for Nitro. There's no reason
for them to be taking place, they don't go anywhere, and the best
part about them are Heenan's rants about how stupid so much of this
stuff is. That being said, I'll take this a hundred times in a row
over the Clowns in the ring again.
The
announcers talk about Goldberg for a bit and we hear a voice (which
sounds quite a bit like Dustin Rhodes) call out to Tony. There's a
window shown and the voice says the darkness is coming. Well if the
best it can do is go after Tony Schiavone, it won't be lasting long.
And
now, to a funeral parlor for the funeral of Lex Luger. As in the guy
in the main event tonight. He's laying in a casket but his ghost
appears to describe himself as a great man and a great champion. We
cut to a cemetery and a woman in black, presumably Elizabeth, throws
flowers into a grave. It's off to the arena with the woman in black
being revealed as Elizabeth of course. She comes to the ring to
reveal Lex Luger, who is officially renamed as the Total Package.
Same guy and the same gear, but now he doesn't have wrist tape.
Literally, identical other than the tape.
Hogan is having his
knee looked at when Sting comes in and nails him with the bat again.
Dean
Malenko vs. Rey Mysterio Jr.
Douglas
tells Dean to take care of this guy but Dean doesn't want “his kind
of help”. Saturn and Benoit are cool with this decision and leave
but Shane gives a look that says “well screw you then.” Mysterio
sends the Animals to the back and we get a one on one match. They
start fast as you would expect by trading shoulders and armdrags into
a standoff for one of the best exchanges WCW has had in months.
Malenko
is sent to the apron and they head up top for a crash out to the
floor. Back in and Rey escapes a reverse suplex into a rollup for
two but his springboard hurricanrana attempt is countered in a big
sitout powerbomb. A tilt-a-whirl backbreaker gets two and the
Cloverleaf goes on, but we need to watch Rick Steiner and Sid arrive.
Mysterio gets to the ropes and grabs a crucifix for the fast pin
before Sid can come out and ruin another good match.
Rating:
B-.
Of course this match doesn't get any time because we need to see
Hogan getting hit in the knee again because once wasn't enough.
Again, when you just have the talented wrestlers wrestling, the show
gets so much easier to sit through. I could have watched another ten
minutes of this but that's simply not allowed in WCW.
Malenko
shakes his hand post match and leaves as a good sport.
Goldberg vs. Hugh
Morrus
Time
for an anniversary match. After the full on entrance, Goldberg busts
out a very good looking dropkick and a superkick to send Morrus out
to the floor. A hard whip sends Morrus into the steps and Goldberg
takes him back inside for a powerslam. Heenan continues to be a huge
Goldberg fan, even now that the filter is off. Jimmy tries to offer
a distraction and Hugh sends Goldberg outside, allowing Sid to sneak
in for a chair shot to the back.
A top rope elbow gets
two for Morrus but he's a bit shaken up from the impact. Stomping
and choking ensues as Goldberg's leg is bleeding. Morrus slams
Goldberg to quickly stop a comeback bid and loads up No Laughing
Matter. In a repeat of Goldberg's first match, he kicks out at two
and hits the usual for the pin.
Rating:
C.
This was far better than I was expecting, even though it wasn't all
that great of a match. The Sid stuff is already old but at least
they're pointing at something instead of just having him beat up
random luchadors. Morrus was good for a decent match when he needed
to pull one off, which is why he wound up with his upcoming punny
name.
Goldberg
wants Sid.
An ambulance leaves the
arena, presumably with Hogan inside.
More Nitro Girls Search
stuff with good looking women who still aren't Stacy Keibler.
Evan Karagias vs.
Berlyn
Penzer
reminds us that the fans are not to make any noise during Berlyn's
match. You can tell Bischoff isn't in Tony's ear as he points out
that demanding something means Berlyn doesn't get what he wants.
Berlyn hammers away in the corner but Evan comes back with some
generic cruiserweight style offense.
The
evil German hides away but pokes Evan in the eye and slugs him down
even more. A running knee and nice overhead belly to belly have
Karagias in trouble but he's still able to crotch Berlyn on the top.
Evan hits a high cross body for two as the announcers keep focusing
on the bodyguard. Said bodyguard nails Evan in the back, allowing
his boss to get the win with a neckbreaker.
Rating:
D.
Berlyn is going absolutely nowhere and it's pretty clear that they're
shifting the focus over to the bodyguard instead. I can't say I
blame them as he at least has an intimidating look and could cause
some damage. Other than that though, there isn't much to get fired
up about for either guy as Berlyn is just horribly boring in the
ring.
Berlyn goes after Evan
again post match but Brad Armstrong makes the save, only to get
beaten down as well. I like Armstrong, but he's the clearest sign
possible that Berlyn is done.
Goldberg breaks into
Sid's locker room and steals his keys from an attendant.
David Flair can't find
Torrie.
Tag Team Titles;
Harlem Heat vs. Kendall Windham/Barry Windham
The
Windhams are challenging for Heaven knows what reason. Tony
continues to screw up continuity by saying Booker was a multi sport
athlete in high school. This goes against Tenay's often repeated
line about Booker only being in the marching band. Somehow I have a
feeling I'm the only person to pick up on that. Booker superkicks
Kendall to start and hammers him down with ease. It's almost like
one guy is a Hall of Famer and the other guy is there because he has
a famous brother.
Off
to Barry vs. Stevie with the latter in control as we take an early
break. Back with Hennig working over Booker on the floor before
throwing him in for a beating from Kendall. A DDT drops Booker and
everything quickly breaks down. In the melee, Stevie hits Kendall in
the knee with a title belt behind Booker's back, giving T. the pin.
Rating:
D+.
These teams have fought so many times that there's nothing left for
them to do. As I've said before, there are so many teams around WCW
but this is the only combination we ever get. A simple change of
pace on the booking staff could do wonders for this company, which
we're inching towards every single day. Whether that's a good thing
or not is yet to be determined.
Goldberg calls a towing
company. Your top star of the future ladies and gentlemen.
Rick Steiner vs. Van
Hammer
This
was supposed to be Hammer getting a US Title shot but Sid must be
afraid of vengeance from Slamboree 1993. Rick Steinerlines him to
the floor and Rick laughs as he beats the tar out of Hammer. Back in
and Hammer keeps getting beaten up before grabbing a quick Flashback
for his first offense. Charles Robinson breaks up the cobra clutch
slam because Heaven forbid Rick Steiner have to look bad for more
than ten seconds. Steiner tells Robinson to look the other way so he
can kick Hammer low, setting up the Bulldog for the pin.
Rating:
F.
So in other words, WCW built up a match (kind of) for the US Title
but instead of giving us something that might involve a new guy
getting into the title picture, we got ANOTHER Rick Steiner squash
that no one wants to see. What in the world does anyone see in this
guy that makes them want to push him down our throats as more and
more people change the channel?
Here's
Bret for a chat. He got hit by a ball bat a few weeks ago but he's
just a little banged up. He's back in the ring and thinks Hulk Hogan
is the Elvis of wrestling. Seriously? I don't really disagree with
the statement but it's not something Bret would ever say. Cue Flair,
who Bret immediately praises as well. That's not quite as much of a
stretch but still doesn't fit. Flair says they need to take care of
Sting/Luger/Page tonight and takes off the jacket to pose. He'll
ride Liz too if she gets involved. I can't say I blame him after how
she looked earlier.
Heenan
talks about the mask vs. hair match tonight and says no one cares if
Kidman is bald.
Torrie
is in the Filthy Animals' locker room when David calls her. He
doesn't like the other male voices and hangs up. Dude, you had her
for like six months. Go out on that high note because you knew it
wasn't going to last forever.
Sid is told Goldberg
stole his car keys.
Perry Saturn vs.
Konnan
Konnan
hiptosses him down but gets caught in an armbar for his efforts. A
superkick staggers Konnan but he blocks a suplex attempt. That's
some of the hardest work I've seen Konnan do in years. The rolling
clothesline is countered into a Tazzplex and it's back to the armbar,
sending Konnan into the ropes. Who would think a match between two
bald guys could be this watchable? Back up and a double clothesline
puts both guys down as we take a break.
We
come back with Saturn cranking on the arm again, sending Konnan right
back to the ropes. A top rope elbow gets two for Saturn but Konnan
grabs a powerbomb out of nowhere for the same. They head back to the
corner with Konnan hitting something like a reverse Razor's Edge,
setting up his usual finishing sequence. Cue a bunch of luchadors
and the Filthy Animals for a big brawl to throw the match out.
Rating:
C+.
The match was far better than I was expecting but the run-in finish
hurt things as usual. Who would have thought Konnan could keep up
with someone like Saturn though? That's quite the surprise and a
flashback to when Konnan actually could work a decent match. I'd
assume this ties into the mask vs. hair match later but given that
it's WCW I doubt they've thought it that far through.
Sid goes to his car but
doesn't find the keys. He heads back inside as the tow truck
arrives.
Post break, the tow
truck pulls the car away.
Here's
Page for a chat. Page says he's married to the most beautiful woman
in the world and that's why the people hate him. He mentions Luger
being gone and the Total Package taking his place, only to call him
Luger a few seconds later.
Various
celebrities are here, including one of the members of ZZ Top.
Quick recap of
Psychosis vs. Kidman in the mask vs. hair match which was thrown
together by Chavo Guerrero.
Kidman vs. Psychosis
Hair
vs. mask and Psychosis has Juventud and Chavo in his corner.
Psychosis hammers away on him to start and they're quickly on the
floor. The outside stuff goes nowhere so they head back inside where
Kidman scores with dropkicks. Psychosis sends him right back outside
for a slingshot moonsault but Kidman goes for his mask. That's not
the nicest thing in the world to do and pretty out of character for
Kidman.
The
referee yells at him, allowing Psychosis to get two off a DDT. A
dropkick to the side of the head has Kidman in even more trouble and
a top rope hurricanrana gets two. The other luchadors get in some
cheap shots on Kidman on the floor, setting up a top rope spinwheel
kick for another two count. Kidman misses a dropkick but grabs a
quick sunset flip. They head to the corner with Psychosis hitting a
sitout gordbuster to drop Kidman again but we still don't have a bald
guy yet.
Kidman
comes back with a powerslam and loads up the Shooting Star, only to
have Juventud pulls Psychosis to the floor. Chavo plants Kidman with
a tornado DDT for two and Juvy sneaks in with a Juvy Driver for an
even closer two. Psychosis is so stunned that he thinks he can
powerbomb Kidman. The Filthy Animals come out to take care of the
luchadors, allowing the Shooting Star to get rid of the mask and blow
the roof off the place. That's kind of a surprising reaction.
Rating:
B+.
Again, give two talented guys ten minutes to work and let them fly
all over the ring before soaking in a great reaction from the crowd.
This will of course be followed by the fans not caring about the main
event because of whatever reason you care to pick for this show.
This was a really fun and fast paced match though with some great
near falls.
Kidman
quickly rips the mask off and there's a huge brawl.
Sting, Luger and Page
are coming to the ring. Luger stops dead and starts chuckling until
Page says the red light is still on and Luger keeps walking.
Just......yeah.
Bret
Hart/Ric Flair vs. Sting/Total Package/Diamond Dallas Page
Because
this show clearly has enough power to pull a bait and switch. Sting
shoulders Flair down to start before hitting a gorilla press. Just
like last week, if you watched this match as a stand alone, you would
never know Sting had recently turned. Flair avoids a Stinger Splash
so it's off to Luger vs. Hart. The Canadian takes over as Heenan
makes more jokes that don't make sense.
Bret
starts up the Five Moves but Page breaks up the Sharpshooter before
it can do much. Everything breaks down for a bit with Sting nailing
a running clothesline. Tony brings up Liz sending an official memo
to the announcers, forbidding them from calling her man Luger. It's
a shame he doesn't bring up Bret injuring all three guys last year
because that might make things more interesting.
Luger
chokes Bret in the corner before Sting draws in Flair, allowing Hart
to get double teamed. A double clothesline puts Sting and Hart down
and it's a hot tag to bring in Flair. It quickly settles down to
Flair suplexing Sting and going for the leg. Hart takes out Page and
Luger but Kimberly sneaks Luger the ball bat which nails Flair for
the DQ.
Rating:
D.
Totally standard tag match which wasn't even advertised because WCW
is so much better than WWF about giving what they advertise.
Remember when that was Tony's big talking point every week? Nothing
to see here as this was more running around in circles before the
“money” matches at the pay per view. Just more dull stuff here
that didn't advance anything.
David
Flair runs in and gets beaten down. We cut to the back where we see
an empty ambulance and Hogan limps out as his partners and David are
destroyed. Hogan cleans house, gets the bat, and sends the villains
running. Screw off WCW. Seriously, it's 1999 and Hogan is still
destroying everyone while Flair and Hart look like mere mortals. Was
there ANY reason to not have Hogan in this match?
Sid
goes to his car.....and it's been completely crushed. He shouts for
Goldberg as we go off the air and I shout about why Sid was actually
in the arena despite having nothing to do tonight.
Overall
Rating: C.
There are some very good moments on this show but the bad ones drag
it back down to reality. The same problems continue to plague this
show: a main event with no heat and Goldberg being wasted on a feud
people don't really want to see while Rick Steiner suddenly has match
making power and gets to pick who he beats up in the ring without
ever selling for more than five seconds. Two of the three big
matches being changed didn't help either, which brings me back to
something I brought up at the beginning.
So
with the big main event match announced in advance, here are the
final ratings for the shows this week. Monday Night Raw: 6.8.
Monday Nitro: 3.0. To put this in perspective, back on Christmas
night 1995, Raw only beat Nitro by 2.5. On that night, Nitro wasn't
on television. From what I can tell, this is the second largest
margin when both shows were on in their regular time slots in the
entirety of the Wars so far. Of note, the only time that beat it was
built around the return of Hulk Hogan. Somehow, neither week taught
WCW a thing and that's a big reason why you don't see Nitro every
Monday night.
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1999 Heel Rick Steiner was pretty tough to sit through.
ReplyDeleteIn Ryder's case, WWE knows he has a big social media following and should he go elsewhere -- either another wrestling company or any other pursuit -- he can use that to that company's advantage the way WWE never has.
ReplyDeleteHad WWE released Ryder circa 2012, he could've helped TNA quite a bit. I'm not saying he would've made them competitive with WWE, but he could've helped the company grow. Now I'd say it's too late because Ryder is damaged goods in a way that he wasn't three or four years ago.
As for a guy like JTG... beats the hell out of me. Rumor has it that a lot of guys were kept on during Linda's Senate runs simply because WWE didn't want bad publicity for firing anybody. Why that lasted until 2014 for some guys doesn't make much sense though.
Debbie Downer! Wah waaaahhh
ReplyDeleteIncluding 6 title changes in a row from 94-99.
ReplyDeleteWWE could have Samoa Joe "invade" RAW as the last great NWA warrior. First night, Triple H would knock him out with a sledgehammer.
ReplyDeleteThe next day TNA doubles their offer and re-signs him.
A week later Joe loses to Zack Ryder and TNA triples their offer.
ReplyDeleteI read that and think they might have been referencing something on Reddit but I'm not sure.
ReplyDeleteand he wrestled guys like Kurt Angle, Sting, Jeff Jarrett, MVP, Kevin Nash, Lashley and other former WWE/WCW guys. It's not like he spent his career wrestling Alex Shelly, AJ Styles, and Chris Hero his entire careeer.
ReplyDelete??
ReplyDeleteIf the WWE steals my idea of a hillbilly team called Skeeter & Slop Muldoon, I am all for it!
ReplyDeleteWhat are these "bad indie habits," anyway? Have they ever really explained that?
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah, I think the time for Joe in WWE has passed, especially with Owens there in the same role Joe would've had. They'd do better throwing money at Morrison, since they could use the star power (but then again, this is the company that seems to be keeping Orton and Sheamus off TV on purpose before Mania, so there you go).
Both Owens and Zayn are 30, five years younger than Joe. That's a huge difference. NXT has plenty of time to work out their "bad indie habits."
ReplyDeleteOwens and Zayn have been in NXT for quite a while. That's far more experience working in front of WWE-style cameras than working in TNA.
Yeah, it was sheer coincidence because it was taped two days before the bombings and then aired later that day. UPN put a disclaimer and then Hassan was taken off TV and essentially killed off by the Undertaker on PPV.
ReplyDeleteI always liked Ross and Bob Caudle as a team. They made every match seem like an actual athletic contest. Personally I don't need a heel announcer. Just give me a color guy and a play by play guy and that's it.
ReplyDeleteESPN has already begun the fellating of Duke/UNC.
ReplyDeleteNXT is one of the centerpieces of the Network. He's basically demeaning his own Network subscribers by referring to them as hardcores that need a bone thrown to. It'd be like coming right out and publicly saying babyfaces win at house shows to keep the marks happy.
ReplyDeleteDixie: "He's an ex-WWE guy? Why didn't you say so? Double whatever we offered him!"
ReplyDeleteAren't they still grasping at straws over "Deflategate"
ReplyDeleteCheaters gonna cheat.
ReplyDeleteAwesome night of Flash, Agent Carter, and Parks last night, tonight Duke/UNC, NXT, Arrow, and Sunny. This looks to be a really nice week
ReplyDeleteOnly if you read it like a Negative Nancy. Look at it as a Positive Peter. Vince is saying:
ReplyDelete"I know this is a small, but devoted group of fans who like old-school wrestling. Since these are the type of fans that typically order the Network, we've decided to give them original content that caters to what they like."
If he was such an asshole he wouldn't put NXT on the Network to begin with or let Triple H run it like an old territory.
Hey guys! Sorry I'm late, but I was trapped under one of Samoa Joe's tits.
ReplyDeleteSo sticky. So, so sticky.
And people like ve it because it's a well booked entertaining show full of talent. Vince basically said its not the kind of entertainment he wants on RAW, that's just for us smark folk. Give all those people shelling $100 for RAW more KANE and Big Show
ReplyDeleteExcept when no cheating took place.
ReplyDeleteTo sum up this Daily Thread for people just joining us, there are about 37 unlikely scenarios presented below that involve Samoa Joe being signed by WWE, including ones that involve an immediate main event feud with John Cena.
ReplyDeleteNow they're onto FellateGate
ReplyDeleteSouth Park doing something like this with Al-Qaeda was awesome.
ReplyDeleteExactly, and Titu O'Neil was 35 when he debuted on the Main Roster, Joe is 36 and a way better worker (and Samoan, and friend with Cena)
ReplyDeleteAnd one post about being stuck under his tits.
ReplyDeleteDisappointed in the smarky New Yorkers not chanting rooster when Taylor is out there doing jobs.
ReplyDeleteYour summation left out my SummerSlam 1991 viewing. I take offense.
ReplyDeleteHere is scenario #38:
ReplyDeleteWWE signs Joe as part of the ring crew and he does that for the rest of his career.
Sid Justice was a better name than Sycho Sid too.
ReplyDeleteMine is when Okada was renamed Okato and used as his sidekick http://i.imgur.com/2MX63es.jpg
ReplyDeleteEdited to reflect your contribution, sir.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the recap. My two cents: I give zero shits about Samoa Joe and certainly not begging to see him in the E
ReplyDeleteRIP Mayor Gunderson.
ReplyDelete"We're here under direct orders from Mayor Gunderson's dog"
YA ha!
ReplyDeleteIvan Koloff?!!!??!!! Alright!
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You added Raw into your chronological viewing?
ReplyDeleteHe ended Bruno's reign!
ReplyDeleteLol I was laughing so much in the first ep I totally missed Ben saying "winter is coming" when he was knighted.
ReplyDeleteHahaha is that what I said? I couldn't hear I had to turn up the tube. Such an amazing hour of TV.
ReplyDeleteThat's PRO WRASSLIN'! Nobody cares about PRO WRASSLIN', PAL!
ReplyDeleteI would guess Joe makes his way around ROH, PWG, a Japanese promotion or two. I'd be surprised if New Japan used him and his WWE shot came and went almost ten years ago.
ReplyDeleteIf you want some good rabbit-hole reading, I recommend the Money Dear Boy and Awesome Dear Boy pages at TV Tropes, lots of good quotes from actors who love their jobs or love money. I enjoy Paul Bettany saying he almost felt guilty getting a truck load of money for his two pages of dialogue in the Iron Man movies
ReplyDeleteSummerSlam 1991 is in the books. Great show. Good 6-Man opener, Bret/Perfect is only really good imo but everything from Perfect's pre match interview through the entrances and Bret hugging his parents is tremendous and extremely memorable.
ReplyDeleteDibiase/Virgil is well done too and is a good match, the Mountie skits are funny, LOD wins the tag titles, and Macho gets married.
Onto Survivor Series 1991!
I loved Megadeth, but holy shit Mustain was better on heroin.
ReplyDeleteJoe's potential future according to this thread: NXT wrestler, debuting at Fast Lane and costing Bryan the match setting up a Mania match between the two, Air Conditioner repairman, ring crew for WWE, Bullet Club member, returning to ROH, touring the independents.....
ReplyDeleteThat's what drives me insane about it. They don't see any real value in a guy, but it's obvious they see someone else having value in a guy.
ReplyDeleteSo let's keep him, for no reason, until we think he has no value to anyone.
Unrelated to the news items, but I'm actually hoping HHH goes over Sting at Mania. The Authority isn't going away anyway, Sting's win would mean nothing (other than a Mania match at 32 against Taker? gross), Sting is washed up as it gets, and HHH might as well be used to put over you get guys if he's gonna lose once a year.
ReplyDeleteSo yeah, Let's Go Trips! Bury another WCW loser.
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ReplyDeleteI hope this week’s Sunny is better that
ReplyDeletelast week’s. Last week’s was the worst I’ve ever seen. I was so upset.
That I cannot abide. Way better than Frank's Brother.
ReplyDeleteJoe's prime was a long time ago. It's really a shame, he'll go down as one of the biggest missed potentials in TNA.
ReplyDeleteHe still has something to over the indys but I'll be shocked if he ends up in NXT
Fine, I'll do a realistic one.
ReplyDelete"Samoa Joe signs with WWE in partnership with The Girl Scout's of the USA"
The promos cut by Jake, Savage and Flair on SSeries 91 are *legendary*
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymotion.com/strangerinthealps
ReplyDeleteIf you're patient, and wait about 30 minutes or so, the episode of Wrestling Challenge from the weekend of 11/8/86 is currently being uploaded. George Steele & The Junkyard Dog in tag action; revisiting the footage of Slick selling the contract of Hercules to Bobby Heenan (which is one of the greatets all-time heel interactions EVER), then Hercules takes to the ring with Heenan; Hillbilly Jim & Billy Jack Haynes in tag action; Butch Reed gets in the ring as do The Islanders; a replay of the Roddy Piper/Mr. Fuji match from the 11/1/86 Superstars, and Paul Orndorff and Bobby Heenan vists the Snake Pit as guests.
Up next will be the 11/11/86 episode of Prime Time, followed by Capt. Lou Albano's farewell on Superstars and Wrestling Challenge
I can't even remember that... We're working our way through a rewatch and are up to Season 4. I rarely watch stuff more than once.
ReplyDeleteRoH is the most feasible, followed by WWE ring crew member
ReplyDeleteFrank's Brother is Season 7. It's gahbage.
ReplyDeleteI still stand by my non-wrestler AC repairman fantasy booking.
ReplyDeleteOn a side note: Congrats on the win for Kill Hal Gill this week. There won't be any Sunday drama this time around...
ReplyDeleteIt's been an age since I've seen it.
ReplyDeleteThis was a desperate time for WCW and you are going to see even worse shows than this in the not too distant future - especially once Jarrett and the Harris Boys arrive.
ReplyDeleteYou will get the one off - "anything can happen" - April 2000 New Blood Show which was massively exciting at the time but in hindsight all the wrong people got over.
Loving the reviews though and hope you go until the end.
That was the funniest thing ive read here in ages.
ReplyDelete....having people stuck under his tits.
ReplyDeleteOf course. I include everything. When ECW Hardcore TV and Nitro start, I'll watch them too.
ReplyDeleteHere's my take on the Samoa Joe news:
ReplyDeleteHe ends up as the third Uso, Jimmy JoJo Junior Shabadoo Uso. He says "Ohh" when he should say "Oooos".
That's the stupidest name I ever heard.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, TNA is better off without Joe. If the money that would have went to him went to Drew Galloway instead, then TNA made the right decision.
ReplyDelete*Samoa Joe runs off crying*
ReplyDelete"Hey, Jimmy JoJo!"
I remember that promo. I guess he answered each person's question 10 times for absolute clarification.
ReplyDeleteHim and Steen could dress in cut-off tees and cargo pants and be called the Moving Crew Express.
ReplyDeleteNXT is a whole different deal than WWE now and it is run as a separate promotion. I think it is very likely that could see Joe pop into NXT.
ReplyDeleteDrew doesn't have the luscious tits that Joe has.
ReplyDeleteNO BUYS.
They have Taryn Terrell for that
ReplyDeleteJoe who?
ReplyDeleteUpvote for Summerslam 91
ReplyDeleteThis is the PERFECT scenario for Joe.
ReplyDelete1.) Team him with Stevie Richards.
2.) Put them in black suits, sunglasses and hats.
3.) Let them drive to the ring in an old police car.
4.) Use a WWE-styled variation of this as their theme: http://youtu.be/VnG0JjzF7HY
5.) Hilarity will ensue
Watching Joe in TNA recently, he is just a shell of his former self.
ReplyDelete"Tears.... in their eyes!"
ReplyDeleteJoe's been "useless" for a couple years now. I'd love to see him hit the indies for a few months/a year, get himself into "better" shape, and have a 2015 to rival AJ Styles' 2014. And much like Styles, it's more because I like the guy over my negative opinion on TNA.
ReplyDeleteOr
ReplyDeleteCheck this out
He comes in as 2maga
"TWOMANGA!"
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Of course years and years of inept TNA booking and management absolutely wasted Joe's entire career, but he is what he is now, and yes a guy like Drew Galloway is a much better option for them.
ReplyDeleteKevin Owens is how Joe should have been booked. No gimmicks, or hooks.
ReplyDeleteJoe looks broken down and is just a blob now. AJ just lacked motivation. I don't think Joe has much left.
ReplyDelete6) Bra Model
ReplyDelete7) ????
8) Profit.
True, they fucked him all up at the beginning.
ReplyDeleteBest use of enter sandman: tom leykis theme
ReplyDeleteWhen he's sad, someone can be like "Why so blue, maga?"
ReplyDeleteYou know me. Im not a troll. But my god, are they overrated.
ReplyDeleteAnd in the middle, and at the end, and every other time they could.
ReplyDeleteI caught up with TNA last night and they have strung together a nice run of shows in a row. Honestly, after the first show on DA was a bit of a DUD, they have rebounded quite nicely
ReplyDeleteThe past year didn't matter as he was not someone who should have been at the top of the card.
ReplyDelete( . ) ( . )
ReplyDeleteBoth in the ring AND on the TV.
ReplyDeleteWrestling isn't wrestling without fat guys. We need more fat guys.
ReplyDeleteJoe trying to do that Uso dive over the top ropes would kill him.
ReplyDeleteJoe was fine in the beginning. He was just kicking peoples asses. It wasn't until they kept trying to saddle him with a gimmick that they fucked him up.
ReplyDeleteKevin Owens is fat.
ReplyDelete/Farva
Yeah, but they're also 100% not gonna bring anyone into NXT if they think that person is gonna rub off in a negative way on their trainees. As much as NXT might seem like a separate promotion, it's #1 directive is still to feed new guys to WWE. If WWE views Joe as someone with bad habits, or a bad training regime, or a bad attitude who feels entitled because he's spent years on national TV already--- well, that's all gonna far out weigh popping 200 people at Full Sail.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's reasonable to assume those are all negatives that Joe either has or WWE views Joe as having.
RIP Farva
ReplyDeleteThe only good thing about Leykis is that they use his laugh on Carolla.
ReplyDeleteThey'd be on a mission from God.
ReplyDeleteMan, fuck both those songs.
ReplyDeleteIs that Scott Steiner looking on in the background?
ReplyDeleteNonetheless, if he's still doing the Val Venis gimmick, I don't want to know what type of "move" he's doing while sitting on that guy's crotch...
YEAH!!!! Fuck those hugely popular and successful songs right in their earholes!
ReplyDeleteHi, Hoss!
I'm halfway through last week's show and it's perfectly acceptable stuff. Aries and Roode was nice classic wrestling. The EC3 stuff is throwaway fluff and anything involving Lashley and Angle is alright. Gauntlet match next week too, and I'm a mark for those.
ReplyDeleteTNA will most likely use the money the saved from Joe and the catering and use it to sign Mason Ryan.
ReplyDelete*puts towel over head, points to the sky*
ReplyDeleteImagine Joe going to a restaurant and ordering 4 fried chickens and a coke.
ReplyDelete...aaaaand the epsiode is uploaded. Watch for more uploads within the next 48 hours.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymotion.com/strangerinthealps
Started listening to the new Shawn Michaels Chris Jericho podcast. I had to turn it off after 5 minutes. It seriously bums me out to hear what a massive Jesus freak weirdo he turned into. I was always such a fan but once he brought up home schooling his poor kids I tapped out. How sad to hear. Still love the guy but yikes. It makes me sad to see him so dumb and broken.
ReplyDeleteJust cause they're popular don't mean they're good.
ReplyDeleteThe Macarena was HUGE, along with plenty of other garbage. I'm not saying those two songs are in that category; they're not.
But, fuck 'em.
also, Matt.
lastly, fuck you.
Love,
Hoss
I think Joe splitting is best for both parties. TNA has done all they can with Joe and Joe has done all he can in TNA and has been spinning his wheels.
ReplyDeleteThis gives TNA a chance with someone new who is motivated and gives Joe a chance at revitalization with a change of scenery.
But yet, still alive and well, which is the opposite of where he was headed.
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Enjoy!
One of my favorite scenes. Aretha tears that shit UP when she sings.
ReplyDeleteDAN-EEEEE-MAL!!!!
ReplyDeleteI didn't say they were good either. I was just stating facts. They were both hugely popular and successful.
ReplyDelete:( So mean.
Damn shame you guys banned him nyuk nyuk
ReplyDeleteRight there with ya.
ReplyDeleteI'm picturing Dick Vitale calling 911:
ReplyDelete"I've had an erection for more than four hours, baby!"
"Did you take Viagra?"
"The only blue pill I took was a Blue Devil Pill! Maximum dose of the legend Coach K, baby!"
Dick then keels over and dies.
Fucking gross. Gotta love how he got to live his life abusing every drug, fucking everything within dick's reach, and being a mega asshole--- and now his kids gotta take the punishment of being homeschooled by a psycho and probably not getting vaccinated and shit.
ReplyDeleteExchanged one addiction for another.
ReplyDeleteIm not religious but honestly some of the absolute nicest people I've ever known were religious and there are worse ways to live your life than following religious teachings so good for him.
ReplyDeletePopularity hardly ever equates to quality. Especially in music.
ReplyDeleteAh, it was a stupid concept for a tournament anyway.
"You guys" as in "someone other than Stranger".
ReplyDelete#DanimalBro
Yeah, but home schooling is fucking terrible. I was home schooled until college. It stunts real learning.
ReplyDeleteAgain, I never said anything about the quality or the songs being good.
ReplyDeleteIf you force your kids into some weird home school Jesus cult your a bad person IMO. These weird Jesus things do more damage than good to society IMO.
ReplyDeletehttp://deadspin.com/1960s-astros-programs-were-weird-1686501644
ReplyDeleteTJ: I found Jobber's new favorite baseball team.
Joe interfering with the DBry/Reigns match and getting DBry/Joe at Wrestlemania would not upset me one bit.
ReplyDeleteThe last thing we need is more weird Jesus freak types though so I have mixed feelings on that.
ReplyDeleteI imagine the conversation would go something like:
ReplyDelete"Sure, we'll hire you for NXT."
"NXT? I don't need training I've been wrestling for 15 years."
"Right. In a promotion that is more B League than our training facility."
"Oh."
*Worst name
ReplyDeleteTrue but Joe ordering 4 fried chickens and a coke is not out of the realm of impossibility.
ReplyDeleteIt depends on the extent people go. Like I said I've known plenty of deeply religious people who were disgustingly nice and good people.
ReplyDeleteOf course there are others who take it too far but I think religion can be a good thing and teach some good lessons.
Hell I'm not even religious and I went to Catholic high school and my favorite classes were ones centered around religious study.
Yeah, they shouldn't call it "home schooling," they should call it "religious indoctrination because the schools don't think Jesus rode dinosaurs."
ReplyDeleteAgent Carter: Chief go boom :(
ReplyDeleteWoah!!
ReplyDeleteA stuffed shell
ReplyDeleteThose were the days.
ReplyDeleteI'm talking his religious beliefs not the home schooling aspect.
ReplyDeleteFans pop more for fat guys doing athletic stuff. I reckon if Adrian Neville put on 75lbs of blubber and retained the same moveset he'd be a sensation.
ReplyDeleteFlair's gloating promo after costing Hogan the title is one of his best EVER. Lays into Hogan, the Little Hulksters, Piper, Jack Tunney for distorting the belt...Flair was always at his best immediately after either a horrible defeat or a great triumph.
ReplyDeleteHe's much better in the new Austin podcast, and actually mentions he was trying to avoid being too preachy. He also gives a somewhat more understandable reason for home schooling his kids. The podcast isn't particularly interesting, but you'd probably find it easier to get through.
ReplyDeleteI was actually more concerned about his physical well being on Jericho's podcast. He stammers and verbally falls all over himself so much I thought he developed a neurological problem.
Just send there kids to a real school and I'll be happy. My uncle is an Episcopal priest (who marries gays!) and is way cool and super smart do I do agree they can be cool. Shawn sounds like the worst kind though.
ReplyDelete"Even Load and Reload weren't that bad."
ReplyDeleteAnd even there, I'm proud to say I'm the rare cat who actually thinks Reload is the better of the two.
But what we need more of is dead and/or asshole wrestlers?
ReplyDeleteMaybe his lifestyle has changed him, but at least he's clean, alive, and actually being a father to his kids now.
You really love fat guys apparently.
ReplyDeleteChubby chaser, AMIRITE?
Isn't that why fans cheer for Owens?
ReplyDeleteSee also: The Mountie and the IC Tournament we had
ReplyDeleteI'd love to have you on as a correspondent. I'm very open to any ideas you may have. Let's talk it out. You can contact me at:
ReplyDeletebro.danimal.crossing.bro@gmail.com
"- According to WrestleZone, a source within WWE has stated that Triple H is interested in giving Samoa Joe a shot in NXT. While Triple H is interested, word is that Vince McMahon has little interest in Joe and that if he got the shot, his chances of moving past developmental could be difficult. There has been talk of giving Joe a tryout at the Performance Center in the near future."
ReplyDeleteLiving in a world for a moment where Joe does go to WWE, the one thing that comes to my mind is if they let him keep that name. Outside of Punk, he'd be the biggest indie name they'd ever have. Generico, Steen, Devitt, KENTA, PAC didn't have nearly the same name recognition as Joe does. Joe is essentially a WWE-level guy who never worked there, IMO.
ReplyDeleteGrats to Joe, Vince McMahon being aware of him is the biggest accomplishment he's had in his whole career.
ReplyDeleteSo he'd be in NXT for a few thousand a year but will never sniff the main roster. He'd make a lot more in Japan and on the indies.
ReplyDeleteVince's eyes are widening at the thought that he could have the next Rikishi.
ReplyDeleteMcMahon is confused and actually think it's Broadway Joe (Namath)
ReplyDeleteWell, it's a business thing. Keep a resource away from a competitor who could use that resource better than you can.
ReplyDeletePrimus sucks.
ReplyDeleteThey'd only let him keep it if they owned the rights, so if he left he'd have to then use a different name in the indies. As far as I know, Punk is the only exception to the naming rights thing in a long time.
ReplyDeleteThey better spend double on catering whatever day his tryout is.
ReplyDeleteYou know they say all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at S'more Joe, you see that statement just not true!
ReplyDeleteYeah, that part I get.
ReplyDeleteIt's still stupid.
Russo is about to step in as Head booker/writer... These reviews are going to be fun to read, surely!
ReplyDeleteBest episode, but sad fucking episode
ReplyDeleteWhile we're on the topic of catering, I'm amazed there hasn't been a story out there over someone being in the doghouse for a buffet-related offense yet.
ReplyDeleteDel Rio.
ReplyDeleteVince: "There's no chance I'll give that piece of crap a shot"
ReplyDeleteHHH: "He said he would dance"
Vince: "..."
So Triple H is really trying to build the ultimate indy promotion
ReplyDeleteSomeone took a shit on Sunny's lunch tray once. X-Pac told that story. I don't think anyone got in trouble for it, though.
ReplyDeleteIt's pretty awesome, if you think about it. Look at NXT's roster, then look at TNA. Even without Joe, I would take NXT's roster any day of the week over TNAs.
ReplyDeleteKENTA got introduced as KENTA and gave a speech on why he was retiring the name.
ReplyDeleteChubbies aren't hard to chase, in any sense of the word "chase"
ReplyDeleteYou're right. He should have died ten years ago. The homeschooling I thought was weird, but even if I wasn't Catholic, I'd be okay with a guy finding his solace through faith.
ReplyDeleteMore spandex is required to accentuate the fatness.
ReplyDeleteHHH: "He's samoan, Vince."
ReplyDeleteVince: "Well, why didn't ya say so, pal?! That's a horse of a different color!"
Even then it's iffy. I can't remember who it was(maybe Chris Hero?) who said he was willing to sign away the rights to his name but they still wanted to change it.
ReplyDeleteAnd the only interesting people in TNA are ex NxT guys like Bram & EC3. TNA totally miss the train on the best indy crop in favor of ex-WWE midcarder
ReplyDeleteThat's a good point. Why bring Samoa Joe in when Steiner is 141 2/3 percents better than he is? More bang for your buck!
ReplyDeleteA WrestleZone exclusive?
ReplyDeleteCan we have a greatest ever fat guy tournament? I'm voting Tugboat.
ReplyDeleteTOOOOOOT TOOOOOOT
Same for Finn Balor, I actually thinks its the best compromise, they acknowledge their past while creating a new persona they can own
ReplyDelete"I think Joe's kind of cute"
ReplyDelete"You must be one of those women that likes romance! I'm gonna speak to all my freaks out there!"
Too bad the NXT pay is shit, though that makes sense for what it is.
ReplyDeleteIf NXT does become a legit touring brand they will need to give the talent raises for traveling expenses.
Sitting here at 9:30 a.m. barely out of the shower, trying to figure why I can't skip today
ReplyDeleteI'm picturing Xavier Woods taking an extra baked potato, then seeing John Cena standing in the corner, staring at him and silently shaking his head.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Make new stars by enhancing indy guys to make them more popular. The last person I care about seeing is boring Drew McIntyre.
ReplyDeleteSamoa Joe?
ReplyDeleteI thought those were tasteful and that WWE gave them non retarded replacement names.
ReplyDeleteKassius Ohno - however - no wonder that didn't work.
Also, with Cesaro - why did they drop the first name and not the last name. Just "Antonio" would have been awesome. I don't really like "Cesaro". His real name is more interesting but I am guessing 70% of the WWE's audience couldn't spell it.
Bam Bam or GTFO
ReplyDeleteUm...hello.....LOCHNESS!
ReplyDeleteBecause they already brought Steiner in and got plenty of bang when that blew up in their face.
ReplyDeleteOoooor he's saying that there are two demographics and he's catering to one of them with NXT. =)
ReplyDeleteWhether you or I believe that to be true is one thing, but I'd lay money that he believes that.
Vader.
ReplyDelete"A Wrestlezone exclusive" - LOL
ReplyDelete