Lifetime appointments is hardly a perfect solution, but it's probably the best one...and it is leagues better than having your justices face elections and have them potentially make rulings not based upon the letter of the law, but with their reelection prospects in mind.
Hungry Man dinners: What the FUCK is that stuff? Apples? Cinnamon? Also, the mashed potatoes never seem to heat equally with the rest of the fucking plate.
Far too much turnover for the judicial system. Also, you'd have whiplashes back and forth between conservative courts and liberal courts as five year terms expire.
I am wholly on board for term limits for our Senators and Congressmen though.
What is the concern with turnover? Would actually allow judges to be current/modern. And yes, you would have swings but you already have that now. People might actually "rule" by reason with a limited term as opposed to ruling by politics
Not necessarily. You'd end up with congress-esque bullshit on every issue. The Supreme Court *occasionally* demonstrated statesmanship. Throw campaigning in and that's done.
My scenario is a bit different. Going to a Wrestlemania sounds awesome but as a 49ers fan, I also have concerns supporting the inept, incompetent, petty, immature and dimwitted 49ers front office by purchasing a ticket. I am leaning towards still wanting to go since they've already got the money anyway and me staying away won't make a difference
The comical part of that is that "Ultimate Solution" was originally called "The Final Solution" until someone pointed out that the original final solution was thought up by Hitler and lead to the Holocaust...so they changed it.
Both the Rose Bowl and Memorial Coliseum are old, but both are also currently in use and (presumably) in decent shape. The Rose Bowl hosts all UCLA home games (and of course the Rose Bowl game every January 1), while the LAMC hosts all USC home games. Those events all draw around or over 100,000 people so the two venues can't be completely falling apart.
The NFL hasn't hosted a Super Bowl in either venue for two decades but that's only because there hasn't been a franchise in LA during that period.(The league has a specific rule that only NFL cities can host Super Bowls). It's not because either venue is out of date or falling apart fwiw.
Uh, no. I was around for the Attitude Era, and while they got shit on sometimes for stupid shit, it was nowhere near the universal panning they get now.
I think it was really just a case of McMahon realising his empire was under serious threat for the first time and hitting the panic button. It was a desperation move, born out of the fact that the WWF was virtually powerless to prevent WCW from signing away their top talent or gaining the forward momentum at that point in time. McMahon wanted to "prove" the point that while WCW could sign away the talent, it was the WWF that created the gimmicks and the stars. Which was obviously a woeful miscalculation that ended up backfiring in his face, probably costing the WWF even more viewers in the long run. They'd have been better off just forgetting Hall and Nash, consolidating what they did have and concentrating on building their existing talent base for a future tilt at the ratings crown. I suppose it didn't make all that much difference in the long run, but at the time it looked like another case of just how far out of touch the WWF had really become.
Not so sure about that. The whole thing was treated as a major angle and presented on air as a massive deal. It wasn't like some "Gilberg" thing where it was just a comedy sideline. It was given a lot of airtime and presented as one of the top ongoing storylines.
"And man, if a gimmick kills your career off for good...then you fucking sucked to begin with." Broadly I would agree with you, but there have been cases where a talented wrestler has never managed to fully put a crappy gimmick behind him. Look at Terry Taylor, who was serenaded with chants of "Red Rooster" for years after he ditched the gimmick. What if Taylor had been given the Mr. Perfect gimmick and Curt Hennig had been given the Red Rooster gimmick? They both entered the WWF at around the same time and had a similar pedigree as performers. How differently would their respective careers have turned out?
I have to agree with you, from what I remember, it definitely sounded like a big deal and when it was finally revealed, it was basically a WTF moment. Even though I was a WWF fan at the time, I thought that stuff+Billionaire Ted skits were in really poor taste.
My recollections of this period are getting a bit blurred by this point, but if I recall correctly, Taylor was getting Rooster chants in both the NWA / WCW and after he returned to the WWF as "Terrific" Terry Taylor.
What was bad about it was WCW was doing all this cool stuff with the nWo and everything else and that was the best WWF could come up with to answer back.
Flair went to the WWF to avoid being saddled with a shitty gimmick (Spartacus) and I believe the Hulk Hogan was licensed from Marvel. Didn't Steve Austin legally change his last name after retiring to avoid legal issues. The same name he used essentially his whole career through multiple promotions.
I honestly don't remember if they were still doing that by this show, but they definitely played that up when Finlay debuted and beat the piss out of Regal.
A terrible idea in a wrestling sense. It also blew up in his face because though Vince still doesn't want to believe it but it proved that the gimmick doesn't make the wrestler the wrestler makes the gimmick.
But in a business sense, it changed the industry. It was pretty brilliant to add that to the settlement. I can't believe Turner/WCW agreed to those terms.
Wear a mask or shave your head schmuck. Austin survived Ringmaster and Dwayne survived Blue Chipper. Rikishi survived Sultan in the most basic of ways.
As I said, broadly I agree with you. Unfortunately for some guys, they never seem to get the right gimmick at the right time. It doesn't necessarily mean they "fucking sucked". Terry Taylor certainly didn't, for one thing. And neither, really, did Rick Bogner. They just didn't catch the right breaks.
I think I might be the only person who enjoyed this gimmick. Then again, I liked the 1998 NWA invasion angle enough to make a mult disc dvd set of it that is probably floating around a bunch of trading boards.
So weird think that WCW of all places were the ones that put him under that threat. Just think if Bischoff hadn't had Hogan's ego to deal with plus an end game, maybe things would have been different.
Thing is though, hardly anybody was watching WCW at that time. So the WWF could just sign guys like Kevin Nash and repackage them and nobody was any the wiser. Most of their fan base never would've even been aware who Oz was. To them, Diesel was just a rookie who was making his debut in the WWF.
Even somebody like Mark Calloway, who'd been at it in various promotions and under various names for a good six or seven years before he arrived in the WWF... to general fans he was just this new wrestler known as the Undertaker. Most of them would've been completely unaware of his prior career.
I wonder how many general fans were even aware that Kane was actually the same guy as fake Diesel and the wrestling dentist?
The trouble is that when you get down to it, WCW really only had two things going for them: 1) One of the hottest angles in wrestling history in the NWO. 2) The capacity to chuck massive wads of cash at anybody with any name value in wrestling whatsoever. Issue with 1) is that no angle, however hot, is going to last forever. WCW got good mileage out of the NWO, but they never came up with another angle that was worth a damn, let alone even approaching a fraction of being in the same ballpark. Issue with 2) is that eventually the tap is going to get turned off. As massive as TV ratings and buy rates were at WCW's zenith, they still weren't really making any money due to the sheer quantity of cash they were burning through to pay out all those fat contracts. Buying your way into success is fine in principle, but eventually your business has to become self sustaining, or what's it all for? No corporate sugar daddy is going to keep flushing their money down the crapper forever. So, hindsight being everything and all, all the WWF really had to do was to hang in there and survive until WCW inevitably imploded. It helped that they struck gold with Steve Austin and the Mr. McMahon angle, but that was really something they stumbled into, not something they orchestrated as some kind of grand master plan to defeat WCW or anything. It is a shame what happened to WCW though, as there's now no real alternative (at least on the US scene) to the WWE's stale programming. But hey, there's always New Japan. Their product is by far superior, if you can get round the fact that the broadcasts aren't in English and the top guys are all Japanese.
MN would be fine.. people come from all over the place for the MoA. Well, perhaps I'm just getting my hopes up since I moved here from NJ (long, long story).
Well I might have been harsh. (Ex was insulting my ability to pleasure her. Was just her being vile but nonetheless) Its not always the talents decision. But seriously, if Taylor shaved his head and grew a bear no one would even think of red rooster. Or a mask. Something. At least Taylor was able to have a career outside the ring. I've never heard of Bogner. You telling me he couldn't go to indies or whatever and repackage himself? Really?
Dude. The guy I was hoping would get over and be the next big thing hasn't. It pisses me off. Pisses me off so much that I'm hoping and praying that the guy that did make it fails. That's what I'm like, if I can't have my slice of cake, no one can. So fuck this Reigns guy...totally sucks and is boring and doesn't attract any attention. Which is precisely why I have spent hours every day for roughly 2 weeks talking about him. Because no one cares and I don't care. So there!
Well I think, the Outsiders and the nWo wouldn't had worked if they had kept the Razor Ramon and Diesel Gimmick.
OK guys like Hunter, Marc Mero, Diesel, Razor and Mick Foley were rebranded from the WWF, BUT: There were many guys coming from WCW to WWF who kept their name like Lex Luger, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Steve Austin, Dean Malenko, Ric Flair, Rey Mysterio, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, DDP, Booker T, Kanyon, Goldberg etc..
Imagine that everybody would have gooten a different name, when they came to WWE. It would have been just stupid.
I don't know why some were renamed and some not, but it seems stupid to me.
I think when you get into Wrestling you should create your own name which gives you a certain value which every wrestling company can profit from, where you go.
And not this stupid "you go to NXT and you get a stupid new name, so that only WWE can sell your merchandise and can sue you if you go elsewhere with that gimmick".
For me it is just wrong if you rename an established wrestler.
Dougie said something about "smarks" crying in their mayo bowls about some reason or another, and then things progressed to ridiculing Dougie about it because it's fun.
I hate to say it but once HHH, Taker, Cena, Lesnar & Orton are all 100% done there will be no major stars left. So say like 5-7 years from now they'll have to settle on smark areans for hot crowd sellouts, mainly MSG & spots like Philly, Chi, & Toronto.
I see that Alabama insists on being dragged into the 21st century kicking and screaming.
ReplyDeleteI've been watching the last season of Sons of Anarchy all day and it's been fucking glorious.
ReplyDeleteDid they finally ban lynching or finally legalize porn and sex toys?
ReplyDeleteState Supreme Court voted 7-1 to reinstate the same sex marriage ban...even after the federal court struck it down.
ReplyDeleteCharlie Hunman stepped it up a notch in this season
ReplyDeleteThe 1 is about to lose his next election.
ReplyDeleteAnd therein lies the danger of having your judges face elections.
ReplyDeleteWhat are your top 3 wrestling radio shows/podcasts?
ReplyDeleteLooking for a few new things to check out
Well, the alternative is appointing them for life and leaving them in no matter how senile they get so there's really no win.
ReplyDeleteWhy not give them 5 years? That is it, for every judge. Would avoid a lot of issues and "lifetime" members. Could be a win/win
ReplyDeleteHe was smart for stepping out of 50 shades.
ReplyDeleteLifetime appointments is hardly a perfect solution, but it's probably the best one...and it is leagues better than having your justices face elections and have them potentially make rulings not based upon the letter of the law, but with their reelection prospects in mind.
ReplyDeleteUpdate: Still no network. Computer is still too far. Found a convenient book, however.
ReplyDelete...what the hell is a book?
ReplyDeleteIt's like a paperweight with words inside.
ReplyDeleteEvening.
ReplyDeleteSteve Austin, Bryan & Vinny, Wrestling Observer
ReplyDeleteInfamous probably has the best solution. I support a one and done term for any elected position in fact.
ReplyDeleteHungry Man dinners: What the FUCK is that stuff? Apples? Cinnamon? Also, the mashed potatoes never seem to heat equally with the rest of the fucking plate.
ReplyDeleteAustin, Voices of wrestling, shake the ropes.
ReplyDeleteA Kindle made out of paper with no memory and no backlight.
ReplyDeleteI feel elected officials should should all get 4 years, then kick them out
ReplyDeleteYou're better buying McDonald's.
ReplyDeleteFrozen meals are the worst.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you doing that to yourself?
ReplyDeleteI'd recommend RBR: Weekly Wrestling Talk if you can stand the occasional off topic discussion.
ReplyDeleteNot at all.
ReplyDeleteOne of the many reasons The Authority doesn't work, they never show any vulnerabity. Vince in the other would get humiliated in a weekly basis.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXtWqwQ-qHM
Maybe not even that long in some cases.
ReplyDeleteI thought they canned him because women cried and complained about him.
ReplyDeleteFar too much turnover for the judicial system. Also, you'd have whiplashes back and forth between conservative courts and liberal courts as five year terms expire.
ReplyDeleteI am wholly on board for term limits for our Senators and Congressmen though.
I'd rather eat McDonald's that some TV dinner that winds up being shitty. At least you know what you're getting with the first one.
ReplyDeleteHungry Man Dinners...or as I like to call them, the Plastic Plate of Shame.
ReplyDeleteI've always been under the impression women found him attractive.
ReplyDeleteA bit of both.
ReplyDeleteSupreme Court would be horrible if it had turnover.
ReplyDeleteA frozen dinner might be shitty. McDonald's is always going to be unfit for human consumption.
ReplyDeleteThe South: "We've been wrong about EVERYTHING!"
ReplyDeleteWhat is the concern with turnover? Would actually allow judges to be current/modern. And yes, you would have swings but you already have that now. People might actually "rule" by reason with a limited term as opposed to ruling by politics
ReplyDeleteAs opposed to how awesome it is now?
ReplyDeleteYou caught me. *continues eating alone in silence*
ReplyDeleteEvery woman I know that watched Sons loved him, but for some reason women everywhere online cried that "he wasn't what Christian Grey looked like".
ReplyDeleteBecause it looked good on the box, and Mrs Stranger is still out of commission.
ReplyDeleteIt's horrible now.
ReplyDeleteLook at the COO!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.wrestlinglol.com/images/0b49b72a55be821458faffb19253fb14.jpg
I'm coming over to that side of the fence.
ReplyDeleteLook at how bad it is now...and then imagine it being even worse.
ReplyDeleteWhat needs to go is campaign financing.
ReplyDeleteI propose the opposite happens. You have more frequent and extreme politically motivated rulings if they're elected.
ReplyDeleteI just bought some groceries. I thought I would eat something I just bought. I'm just going to be hungry later.
ReplyDeleteSomeone needs to teach you how to cook like two meals. Or grill. Every man should be able to grill.
ReplyDeleteFact is, most of these issues should just be going to a popular vote.
ReplyDeleteI can grill. I was just looking for something quick.
ReplyDeleteMy grilled steak is reportedly the best this side of the Texas-Louisiana border.
It could be much worse. Picture a presidential election with Roe vs Wade the main issue every four years. Fuck that.
ReplyDeleteYou are getting all of my up votes for the night
ReplyDeleteTry the Marie Collander frozen stuff. More expensive but well worth it.
ReplyDeleteFuck those 40 year old moms.
ReplyDeleteAfter a while, Vince looked insanely creepy and it came off really sad when he constantly wrote himself having an affair.
ReplyDeleteOkay!
ReplyDeleteNope. Haven't you noticed decisions never get overturned?
ReplyDeleteThe one Cornette does.
ReplyDeleteIf he shaved the beard and cut his hair, he'd look close enough.
ReplyDeleteFound a Blu Ray collection of all 7 Saw movies! So needless to say Jacks a very mean boy today!
ReplyDeleteThat one or Boston Market are acceptable. And Stouffer's/Lean Cuisine have one or two okayish ones.
ReplyDeleteBanquet/Swanson? I've had them, nothing to be proud of.
Boo...ooo...ooo.
ReplyDeleteNot necessarily. You'd end up with congress-esque bullshit on every issue. The Supreme Court *occasionally* demonstrated statesmanship. Throw campaigning in and that's done.
ReplyDeleteI eat quite a bit of microwave crap. I cook for a living, last thing I want to do when I get home from work is be anywhere near a stove.
ReplyDeleteWhoever invented the electric grill should have a holiday named in his honor. I don't have to know who invented it to know it was a man.
ReplyDeleteLean Cuisines are pretty wretched, as is Healthy Choice. I'm ok with the Stouffer's though. And Smart Ones aren't that bad either.
ReplyDeleteThe beer battered chicken on is actually really good, albeit not at all filling.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Foreman?
ReplyDeleteI had the spicy fried chicken.
ReplyDeleteBWahahahahah.
ReplyDeleteNow you know why they call it what they do. It's because you're still hungry, man.
ReplyDeleteNah, I got something similar though. Cleaning the grease is a pain but the food is the bestest.
ReplyDeleteLean has an okayish Chicken Fettucine. Otherwise, they can go away.
ReplyDeleteI ignored Healthy Choice for a reason.
The Banquet ones are awful. There's a reason they only cost $1.
ReplyDeletehttp://i.imgur.com/RHHZtFz.jpg Lawler likes what he sees.
ReplyDeleteMy wife bought a Wolfgang Puck indoor electric grill in 2004.
ReplyDeleteStill used to this very day.
Anyone here do God of War online?
ReplyDeleteHe likes, but still WAY too old.
ReplyDelete"Where was this ten years ago?"
Update: Dragged my carcass across the room to the computer. WWE.com is apparently soliciting ideas for reality shows.
ReplyDeleteThis is an Odyssey.
I've had mine a good 3 or 4 years. Best 50 bucks I ever spent.
ReplyDeleteHSN. baby!
ReplyDeleteHey, I've been doing it for 10 years, or I guess 4 years, she was 34 when we met.
ReplyDeleteI've gone through a couple Foreman's, but never had a complaint about any of them.
ReplyDeleteWhy is something like the observer behind a paywall? It's the carniest of things.
ReplyDeleteNo, I mean a direct vote by the people.
ReplyDeleteThe defining moment of Lawler's career has to be his reaction to Sable's handprint swimsuit.
ReplyDeleteSo the guy spending 16 hours a week or whatever writing about wrestling and MMA can earn a living.
ReplyDeletehttp://41.media.tumblr.com/6c32de2669812a3a8efcb133c3bc84fa/tumblr_n3wzewkkLX1rg89a6o1_400.jpg
ReplyDeleteNever read a wrestling news website that didn't look like it was from 2003.
ReplyDeleteIt's what he does for a living, not like Scott who has a real job.
ReplyDeleteHoly hell I've done nothing today, just a thousand turns on Civ 5 and about 20 episodes of Friends
ReplyDeleteThis. I think that was a huge problem.
ReplyDeleteMy scenario is a bit different. Going to a Wrestlemania sounds awesome but as a 49ers fan, I also have concerns supporting the inept, incompetent, petty, immature and dimwitted 49ers front office by purchasing a ticket. I am leaning towards still wanting to go since they've already got the money anyway and me staying away won't make a difference
ReplyDeleteThe comical part of that is that "Ultimate Solution" was originally called "The Final Solution" until someone pointed out that the original final solution was thought up by Hitler and lead to the Holocaust...so they changed it.
ReplyDeleteBravo.
ReplyDeleteBoth the Rose Bowl and Memorial Coliseum are old, but both are also currently in use and (presumably) in decent shape. The Rose Bowl hosts all UCLA home games (and of course the Rose Bowl game every January 1), while the LAMC hosts all USC home games. Those events all draw around or over 100,000 people so the two venues can't be completely falling apart.
ReplyDeleteThe NFL hasn't hosted a Super Bowl in either venue for two decades but that's only because there hasn't been a franchise in LA during that period.(The league has a specific rule that only NFL cities can host Super Bowls). It's not because either venue is out of date or falling apart fwiw.
Make a list of the top twenty/thirty dumbest creative decisions in WWE history and this is probably on there.
ReplyDeleteWell - I loved it in 1996 - but I was a Hulkamoron that loved seeing Hogan destroy everybody at the time.
ReplyDeleteWhat no 1996 version?
ReplyDeleteWait a minute, did I just say DDP lost?
(Check notes)
Shoot! DDP lost!!!
Okay insider types does anybody know if DDP is leaving?
But don't you realize how big his hands are???
ReplyDeleteI've never heard the Heenan managing the Horsemen thing before, and now I am very sad.
ReplyDeleteUh, no. I was around for the Attitude Era, and while they got shit on sometimes for stupid shit, it was nowhere near the universal panning they get now.
ReplyDeleteYou sir, have reached the pinnacle of Living-in-your-mothers-basement-ness.
ReplyDeleteCatfished.
ReplyDeleteI think it was really just a case of McMahon realising his empire was under serious threat for the first time and hitting the panic button. It was a desperation move, born out of the fact that the WWF was virtually powerless to prevent WCW from signing away their top talent or gaining the forward momentum at that point in time.
ReplyDeleteMcMahon wanted to "prove" the point that while WCW could sign away the talent, it was the WWF that created the gimmicks and the stars. Which was obviously a woeful miscalculation that ended up backfiring in his face, probably costing the WWF even more viewers in the long run.
They'd have been better off just forgetting Hall and Nash, consolidating what they did have and concentrating on building their existing talent base for a future tilt at the ratings crown. I suppose it didn't make all that much difference in the long run, but at the time it looked like another case of just how far out of touch the WWF had really become.
JFK Jr. beat you to it.
ReplyDeleteNot so sure about that. The whole thing was treated as a major angle and presented on air as a massive deal. It wasn't like some "Gilberg" thing where it was just a comedy sideline. It was given a lot of airtime and presented as one of the top ongoing storylines.
ReplyDeleteNo no, I think you're overreacting. Top 300, maybe. Top 30, no way.
ReplyDelete"And man, if a gimmick kills your career off for good...then you fucking sucked to begin with."
ReplyDeleteBroadly I would agree with you, but there have been cases where a talented wrestler has never managed to fully put a crappy gimmick behind him. Look at Terry Taylor, who was serenaded with chants of "Red Rooster" for years after he ditched the gimmick. What if Taylor had been given the Mr. Perfect gimmick and Curt Hennig had been given the Red Rooster gimmick? They both entered the WWF at around the same time and had a similar pedigree as performers. How differently would their respective careers have turned out?
Plus Pontiac is a dirty crime-ridden shithole, no-one wants to go there
ReplyDeleteWhen did they chant Red Rooster at Terry? Was this during his York Foundation run in WCW?
ReplyDeleteIf Rick Titan couldn't overcome it - but Glen Jacobs could? Please.
ReplyDeleteBut he's humerous.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with you, from what I remember, it definitely sounded like a big deal and when it was finally revealed, it was basically a WTF moment. Even though I was a WWF fan at the time, I thought that stuff+Billionaire Ted skits were in really poor taste.
ReplyDeleteMy recollections of this period are getting a bit blurred by this point, but if I recall correctly, Taylor was getting Rooster chants in both the NWA / WCW and after he returned to the WWF as "Terrific" Terry Taylor.
ReplyDeleteIf Nash could over come the Oz gimmick then any gimmick can be overcame
ReplyDeleteHe played Muhamned Hassan in 2005, right?
ReplyDeleteHe ended up wearing Black by late 1998, but yeah good point.
ReplyDeleteThat's what hooked me.
ReplyDeleteThen the reveal came and I was like "fuck this shit," because that's how I talked at 8.
I didn't watch the movie until
ReplyDelete2003 - so Vince maybe has seen it.
What was bad about it was WCW was doing all this cool stuff with the nWo and everything else and that was the best WWF could come up with to answer back.
ReplyDeleteThe Insiders could have worked.
ReplyDeleteFlair went to the WWF to avoid being saddled with a shitty gimmick (Spartacus) and I believe the Hulk Hogan was licensed from Marvel. Didn't Steve Austin legally change his last name after retiring to avoid legal issues. The same name he used essentially his whole career through multiple promotions.
ReplyDelete"Back before 2001 wrestler went from company to company and always kept their names."
ReplyDeleteBossman in 1994? Pretty much all of the Dungeon of Doom? ....
Yes....
ReplyDeleteDaph is good, but I'm all about Roz, especially in the later seasons MILF plus leather pants. Holy shit.
ReplyDeleteI honestly don't remember if they were still doing that by this show, but they definitely played that up when Finlay debuted and beat the piss out of Regal.
ReplyDeleteI though the Lex Express was already done?
ReplyDeleteBiggest problem with Rick Bogner was that he was chubby. Too unimpressive physically, despite his size.
ReplyDeleteIt's the two parallels of Vince McMahon.
ReplyDeleteA terrible idea in a wrestling sense. It also blew up in his face because though Vince still doesn't want to believe it but it proved that the gimmick doesn't make the wrestler the wrestler makes the gimmick.
But in a business sense, it changed the industry. It was pretty brilliant to add that to the settlement. I can't believe Turner/WCW agreed to those terms.
Nash has said that some WCW execs actually thought they were going back to the WWF so they gave them new contracts for more money
ReplyDeleteWear a mask or shave your head schmuck. Austin survived Ringmaster and Dwayne survived Blue Chipper. Rikishi survived Sultan in the most basic of ways.
ReplyDeleteDo the baseball stadium in Pittsburgh, better visuals with the bridge. . . .
ReplyDeleteUm...glen Jacobs did overcome it. (Hair change and mask...voila!) But I've never heard the name Rick Titan. So....
ReplyDeleteAs I said, broadly I agree with you. Unfortunately for some guys, they never seem to get the right gimmick at the right time. It doesn't necessarily mean they "fucking sucked". Terry Taylor certainly didn't, for one thing. And neither, really, did Rick Bogner. They just didn't catch the right breaks.
ReplyDeleteI think I might be the only person who enjoyed this gimmick. Then again, I liked the 1998 NWA invasion angle enough to make a mult disc dvd set of it that is probably floating around a bunch of trading boards.
ReplyDeleteThat....is......awesome.
ReplyDeleteSo weird think that WCW of all places were the ones that put him under that threat. Just think if Bischoff hadn't had Hogan's ego to deal with plus an end game, maybe things would have been different.
ReplyDeleteAnd no one does a title celebration quite like like. For all the shit people give him, I've always found that a nice touch.
ReplyDeleteThing is though, hardly anybody was watching WCW at that time. So the WWF could just sign guys like Kevin Nash and repackage them and nobody was any the wiser. Most of their fan base never would've even been aware who Oz was. To them, Diesel was just a rookie who was making his debut in the WWF.
ReplyDeleteEven somebody like Mark Calloway, who'd been at it in various promotions and under various names for a good six or seven years before he arrived in the WWF... to general fans he was just this new wrestler known as the Undertaker. Most of them would've been completely unaware of his prior career.
I wonder how many general fans were even aware that Kane was actually the same guy as fake Diesel and the wrestling dentist?
The trouble is that when you get down to it, WCW really only had two things going for them:
ReplyDelete1) One of the hottest angles in wrestling history in the NWO.
2) The capacity to chuck massive wads of cash at anybody with any name value in wrestling whatsoever.
Issue with 1) is that no angle, however hot, is going to last forever. WCW got good mileage out of the NWO, but they never came up with another angle that was worth a damn, let alone even approaching a fraction of being in the same ballpark.
Issue with 2) is that eventually the tap is going to get turned off. As massive as TV ratings and buy rates were at WCW's zenith, they still weren't really making any money due to the sheer quantity of cash they were burning through to pay out all those fat contracts. Buying your way into success is fine in principle, but eventually your business has to become self sustaining, or what's it all for? No corporate sugar daddy is going to keep flushing their money down the crapper forever.
So, hindsight being everything and all, all the WWF really had to do was to hang in there and survive until WCW inevitably imploded. It helped that they struck gold with Steve Austin and the Mr. McMahon angle, but that was really something they stumbled into, not something they orchestrated as some kind of grand master plan to defeat WCW or anything.
It is a shame what happened to WCW though, as there's now no real alternative (at least on the US scene) to the WWE's stale programming. But hey, there's always New Japan. Their product is by far superior, if you can get round the fact that the broadcasts aren't in English and the top guys are all Japanese.
MN would be fine.. people come from all over the place for the MoA. Well, perhaps I'm just getting my hopes up since I moved here from NJ (long, long story).
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine all the little John Cena fans at Burning Man?
ReplyDeleteWell I might have been harsh. (Ex was insulting my ability to pleasure her. Was just her being vile but nonetheless) Its not always the talents decision. But seriously, if Taylor shaved his head and grew a bear no one would even think of red rooster. Or a mask. Something. At least Taylor was able to have a career outside the ring. I've never heard of Bogner. You telling me he couldn't go to indies or whatever and repackage himself? Really?
ReplyDeleteDude. The guy I was hoping would get over and be the next big thing hasn't. It pisses me off. Pisses me off so much that I'm hoping and praying that the guy that did make it fails. That's what I'm like, if I can't have my slice of cake, no one can. So fuck this Reigns guy...totally sucks and is boring and doesn't attract any attention. Which is precisely why I have spent hours every day for roughly 2 weeks talking about him. Because no one cares and I don't care. So there!
ReplyDeleteThe Boss! Man, is he BIG!
ReplyDeleteWell I think, the Outsiders and the nWo wouldn't had worked if they had kept the Razor Ramon and Diesel Gimmick.
ReplyDeleteOK guys like Hunter, Marc Mero, Diesel, Razor and Mick Foley were rebranded from the WWF, BUT: There were many guys coming from WCW to WWF who kept their name like Lex Luger, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Steve Austin, Dean Malenko, Ric Flair, Rey Mysterio, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, DDP, Booker T, Kanyon, Goldberg etc..
Imagine that everybody would have gooten a different name, when they came to WWE. It would have been just stupid.
I don't know why some were renamed and some not, but it seems stupid to me.
I think when you get into Wrestling you should create your own name which gives you a certain value which every wrestling company can profit from, where you go.
And not this stupid "you go to NXT and you get a stupid new name, so that only WWE can sell your merchandise and can sue you if you go elsewhere with that gimmick".
For me it is just wrong if you rename an established wrestler.
Dougie said something about "smarks" crying in their mayo bowls about some reason or another, and then things progressed to ridiculing Dougie about it because it's fun.
ReplyDeleteRoman Reigns needs his brother Luther to get him over.
ReplyDeleteReturn to the CNE
ReplyDeleteSkydome for a third time
Wimbley Stadium
Wriggly Stadium
tony lister is alive and was actually in the dark knight movie as a con and has been around
ReplyDeletewasn't in batman and robin either though
ReplyDeletesorry nevermind ignore my stupid messages
ReplyDeleteI hate to say it but once HHH, Taker, Cena, Lesnar & Orton are all 100% done there will be no major stars left. So say like 5-7 years from now they'll have to settle on smark areans for hot crowd sellouts, mainly MSG & spots like Philly, Chi, & Toronto.
ReplyDeleteI lie in YOUR mom basement
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