Officially launching on June 1st, 2013, Place to be Nation has gave us over 3,400 podcasts and articles on topics such as sports, wrestling, comics, television, music, and movies. Over the next few weeks they will be highlighting "The Best of PTBN," a collection of select pieces from each staff member that you can view by clicking on the link below.
http://placetobenation.com/category/the-best-of-ptbn/
http://placetobenation.com/category/the-best-of-ptbn/
Congrats guys! They do great work and the Vault podcast they do is the best wrestling podcast today.
ReplyDeletemight seem fitting because Goldberg was undercut by circumstances (and, in his case, backstage politics) as well (afair his first ppv title defense was against Curt Hennig. wtf?!).
ReplyDeleteSurprising given the first two Summerslams had tag matches they didn't build to a hogan/warrior-quake/bravo match and then plants seeds for hogan- warrior 2 at mania 7.
ReplyDeleteMaybe if they went with Perfect winning the Rumble as originally rumored and not jobbed him to Beefcake at Mania he might have been better positioned as a viable challenger to Warrior. I know he also did jobs around the horn to Hogan in late '89, early '90 on shows that did poorly so Vince was probably sour on him as a top level guy.
ReplyDeleteI remember a super cool Warrior jacket that was like bright blue with his face (I think) on the back. I can't actually remember anymore.
ReplyDeleteI wanted that, and a lot of other WWF products at the time. But I generally wasn't allowed merchandise.
This one. Man, I would have been SO cool.
ReplyDeleteUltimate Warrior vs Haku WORLD TITLE
ReplyDeletei loved wrestling but by that time it was no longer cool to tell anyone... let alone wear the Ultimate Warrior crazy face jacket
ReplyDeleteWarrior should have gotten the Earthquake feud for Summerslam. Reason #1 really killed his reign.
ReplyDeleteUpvote for the accent, mistah.
ReplyDeleteand Tugboat's friendship
ReplyDeleteHogan vs Earthquake were still drawing money in stretcher matches up until WM7
ReplyDeleteI hate to be that guy, but the name has always bugged me a bit. Place to be nation?? It just doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.
ReplyDeleteCongrats on the milestone though.
You'll have to get in line behind me been a Hulkamaniac since 82 :)
ReplyDeleteJust a take off of our podcast (Place to Be Podcast), which was a riff on the Seinfeld line. Along the way, we started referring to our listeners as Place to Be Nation. Never thought it would get as far as it did, but here we are... we started the site and went with it.
ReplyDeleteThanks Mikey, have always appreciated your loyalty!
ReplyDeleteMake Warrior-Hogan II for Tugboat's friendship.
ReplyDeleteWatch his tribute to Savage on Youtube -- Great stuff -- Completely unselfish with no agenda or anything to sell -- Just a genuine piece...
ReplyDeleteWould Hogan/Warrior II have saved WM7?
ReplyDeleteI can't wait for the "Best of Caliber" part.
ReplyDeleteCaliber and TNAmecca two places that are supposedly the lowest of low yet everyone can't stop talking about them.
ReplyDeleteHappy two-year anniversary PTBN! Since the second anniversary is traditionally celebrated with cotton, here's hoping for some great PTBN T-shirts!
ReplyDeleteThanks brother!
ReplyDeleteI always got the sense that Randy Savage was the only other wrestler he actually liked. It also helped that Randy did not really give any interviews where he could badmouth the Warrior after his retirement.
ReplyDeleteI love the idea of Ambrose taking the title and Reigns cashing in right away. You might even be able to set up Ambrose or Rollins wining the Rumble, and somehow wrangle a triple-threat for the title at Wrestlemania.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure you have some thoughts about why that is that I absolutely cannot wait give zero fucks about.
ReplyDeleteYou gave atleast one fuck or you wouldn't have replied. Come on thats BOD 101 "I don't give a fuck about ____" only to talk about it for months on end.
ReplyDeleteReplying =/= fucks given.
ReplyDeleteYou don't actually need Brock to have the MITB to do the fake music bit, since Seth is already terrified of him arriving and destroying.
ReplyDeleteLogical, yes, but more importantly, REALLY awesome.
ReplyDeletecreepy to...watch?
ReplyDeleteAgreed, but where would that leave Rollins? He has had too much momentum as champion to fall back into a meaningless feud with Randy Orton...or worse yet, Kane.
ReplyDeleteSeriously. People bitch about babyfaces not actually being challenged, than we finally get a babyface legitimately "overcoming odds" and people freak.
ReplyDeleteThat SummerSlam '89 buyrate was insanely high. It was the highest for a SummerSlam until 1997.
ReplyDeleteNope. By that point, the bloom was off of the rose
ReplyDeleteNo question--and a three way feud might just be too complex to hold over that long a time frame.
ReplyDeleteIf the goal is to try and breathe new life in Roman Reigns by turning him heel, the only way to effectively do that is to align him with the Authority via Seth Rollins.
ReplyDeleteReigns turning heel and feuding with Ambrose AND an Authority-backed Rollins still makes Reigns a defacto face.
Warrior really liked or loved randy he didn't respect most guys because they were degenerates or drug addicts
ReplyDeleteHogan needed to update himself in the early 90s a new finish or outfit something instead of the same old stuff
ReplyDeleteThat interview started alot of the steroid stuff wwf went through idk what hulk was thinking
ReplyDeleteTrue, but ultimately he would have to break with the Authority a la Orton, and they would be in a three-way fued leading up to Wrestlemania. Also, the idea that the Authority shoudl be the end-all and be-all for heels is something that I think could use some shaking up--we could turn Rollins and Reings at the same time, or even dial back on the Authority angle and just have Reigns bas a heel for attacking one of the most beloved Babyfaces in the company.
ReplyDeleteRegardless, I think Ambrose would do well in a feud with a turned Reigns. I think he's better in the chase than on top, and better as an aggrieved face than without something to fire him up.
Got you beat, I was a fan of Sterling Golden in 79.
ReplyDeleteMy experiences with your website have been infrequent but positive.
ReplyDeleteLove the site/podcast!
ReplyDeletei consider Savage/Warrior at WM7 the greatest match ever, even if the rest of the show was a dog outside of UT/Snuka
ReplyDeleteThe Reigns idea is a great one, I must admit. Excellent bookend.
ReplyDeleteAs much as I'd love to see Brock kill Rollins at SS, I think it'd make for better entertainment to have him chase for a while.
Thanks man!
ReplyDeleteThank you bud
ReplyDeleteHe attempted to save face. It didn't work
ReplyDeleteThe audience starts cheering for them because the faces are shitty.
ReplyDeleteFaces never get to be cool, they have to be Cena light dorks.
And a heel can be strong and cheat like a bastard (Flair, HHH)
Slap me!
ReplyDeleteCame on here to ask if it was really a MotY candidate, or if everyone was just pumped from the outcome. Thanks for the quick answer!
ReplyDeleteAs for the Punk/Cena = overrated comment...take that back right now!
No way was cena/rusev as bad as your making it out to be.
ReplyDeleteKing of hyperbole are we?
ReplyDelete4.) False. You could buy Warrior tassels in the WWF Magazine.
ReplyDeleteFucking Warriors tassels.
1 & 2.) Earthquake really should have put Hogan on the shelf until Survivor Series or later. Feed Hulk to Earthquake to build him up as Warrior's first big challenger. Hell, Hogan can return to fight off the other Heenan flunkies and resume the Quake feud for Survivor Series. Hogan recruits the Tugboat/Boss Man/Duggan team to face the Natural Disasters team while Warrior moves on from Earthquake.
ReplyDeleteHe really did have a lack of top challengers. As much as I love Rick Rude, we had just seen Warrior beat him. Their most legitimate top heel was Savage and that feud came after Warrior lost the belt already. I contend that WM7 could have been: Warrior vs. Savage, Title vs. Career, while Hogan vs. Slaughter worked just fine as a semi-main event grudge match without the title
Agreed. Quake putting Hogan out of action for a while and Warrior being the guy to try to beat him would have done way better than Warrior/Rude.
ReplyDeleteThe cash-in scenario is cool because you have all three Shield members as WWE Champion in one night.
ReplyDeleteAs great as it was as a momentous event and an all-time great childhood memory, was Hogan-Warrior at WM6 really a good business decision? It's an epic dream match for the time, but was dividing the Hulk-Warrior fans a sound strategy?
ReplyDeleteConversely, could they have gotten Warrior a more "traditional" title win to kick things off by having him beat Macho at WM6 for the title instead of Hogan? Say,Savage regains the WWF Title at SummerSlam '89 and Hogan feuds with Zeus, Perfect, or Rude heading into WM6. Warrior goes after Savage for the WWF title in the main event. Then do Warrior-Hogan later on, if you need to get the belt off Warrior. I just think having his big title win be against Hogan made a lot of potential Warrior marks sour on the overall product once Hulk lost clean to him
They didn't have a big "WrestleMania" main event other than that, when they were still trying to create that one magical match or moment to headline and fill the rest of the show with junk..
ReplyDelete3 had Andre. 4 had the tournament. 5 had the Mega Powers explode. 6 without Warrior/Hogan is just another show.
I don't know, 5-6 matches on a 14 match card during a low point for match quality is a great show. Rockers/Haku & Barbarian, Bulldog/Warlord (yes, I'm serious), Foundation/Nasties, Perfect/Boss Man, Warrior/Savage, and to a lesser extent, Hogan/Slaughter, were all in the range of **1/2-****.
ReplyDeleteIf they had not wasted Macho Man on that Dusty Rhodes feud, I feel like he could have still been a more viable challenger to Warrior
ReplyDeleteHogan vs. Warrior, Part II should have happened at SummerSlam 1991, in MSG
ReplyDeleteLate last year I had been laid off and was going through a lot of dark personal shit.. and i spent a lot of my free time listening to the TPTB podcast.
ReplyDeleteSo thank you guys for helping me get through a dark period of my life.
Like Zeus or not--and I didn't, either then as a 7-year old or now--he was used and pushed absolutely brilliantly. Pat Patterson may have deserved Booker of the Year for '89, and that's considering what a great year WCW and All-Japan had.
ReplyDeleteIt kinda does given The Authority doesn't want to give him another title match. If Brock gets the MITB briefcase, he's guaranteed one.
ReplyDeleteThe two of them needed to cut more promos like this.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9eKIOXDOy8
They had a Hogan one like that, which I had and my mom kept in a closet somewhere.
ReplyDeleteSeriously - they need an interview man like Okerlund again.
ReplyDeleteAnd to think that we all thought the post WrestleMania months would be endless lame babyface Reigns vs. Big Slow and Issac Yakem.
ReplyDeleteHad fun watching. 2nd Chamber was trash. Didn't have rage over a finish that continues a hot feud.
ReplyDeleteIt was a terrible I Quit match, it was a terrible match. If you liked it then good for you.
ReplyDeleteLove the idea and half got a feeling that's where they may be going with this after Raw last night. The only issue is where you go with Seth in this scenario and you are passing up the obvious Summerslam Main Event with Brock/Seth.
ReplyDeleteI remember Bulldog/Warlord at Tuesday in Texas being pretty good and they had a couple good ones at MSG leading into WM7
ReplyDeleteHe did a great superkick on Dmackdown last week, too.
ReplyDeleteNo more a child than some of the posters that used to lurk around here. He's a big fan who's watched for a long time, and I think it's just the culmination of frustration of a crappy couple of years of the product.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I'm not a huge fan of Owens either, but I'll still watch his matches.
Sorry to hear that you went through such a rough stretch but glad we could help you battle through it. Appreciate the kind words.
ReplyDeleteKaitlyn made those Warrior tassels look GOOODDDD
ReplyDeletecreepy to..touch yourself to?
ReplyDelete3. I think that's the biggest part. Warrior was exciting and someone people wanted to see, but not a character anyone was going to connect with. Not even kids. I was 7 when Warrior went over Hogan and I turned on Warrior when he beat my favorite guy. Even when I got over that and bought in on Warrior as the new "good guy", he was never a guy I "got" like I did Hogan. Probably because his promos were unintelligible (but awesome, in retrospect)
ReplyDeleteWarrior was over enough to justify the clean Hogan job and top spot, I just think it should have been part of a story arc that culminated in Hogan's redemption win.
ReplyDeleteWhy is anyone shocked this didn't work out? Doesn't Booking 101 say it's not good to do Babyface vs. Babyface unless you only want to pop a one-time, huge buy rate? It is doomed to fail long-term because whoever wins already has their fanbase slashed in half? How can you succeed with that formula right off the bat? Hogan knew this and that's why he is/was the smartest guy in the business. Just one year later he had the title back and inoculated himself against the claims he was holding people back and not wanting to put anyone over. "Hey it's not my fault Warrior bombed. I put the guy over clean as a sheet at the biggest shoebox the year!!!!"
ReplyDeleteWas Rude that bad? He beat UW at WrestleMania and then only lost to him because Piper showed him his butt as summerslam. Shouldn't this feud have sort of been a rubber-match? I don't buy it.
ReplyDeleteBut Rude had also beaten Warrior, and Warrior really didn't beat Rude clean at SS 89 because there was Piper involvement. I don't get why Rude wasn't considered top.
ReplyDeleteI enjoy a lot of the podcasts, but several of the shows advertised in the breaks never show up in my feed (e.g. Where the Big Boys Play, Titans of Wrestling).
ReplyDeleteHey yo, congrats! Big fan of the site and even bigger fan of the podcasts, listening since day 1! One question though, why are you referred to on the site as JT instead of JR? Is it a legal thing with Jim Ross or something else entirely?
ReplyDeleteKeep up the great work!
Hey! Thank you!
ReplyDeleteThere is a separate feed with a whole bunch of other shows that are led by the PWO crew. Just search "PWO-PTBN" in iTunes and they will all be there for you. Let me know if you have any issues.
Thank you very much and thanks for being a loyal listener! Not a legal thing with JR at all, just for professional reasons.
ReplyDeleteThanks!. I tried searching for PWO a few weeks ago, but didn't find anything. But today PWO-PTBN worked. BTW I'm using Podkicker in Android, no iTunes in this house. ;)
ReplyDeleteOh, I think it was JR who has been saying that WWE just needs to have a free trial like Netflix and Hulu do, instead of free months all the time. I thought the same thing, but Wade Keller's rationale is that they think everyone will just sign up for a free trial to get Mania, and then move along.
Glad you got it to work!
ReplyDeleteYes that has been me saying that... they would have to not do Mania month, but I also believe Mania shouldn't be included in the $10/month plan.
Yeah, I'm with Scott in that I think they should have started with just the archive material (and new content) for $10/month and a vehicle to watch the PPVs. If that didn't work, add in the off-month PPVs. If they needed another boost, add in everything except Mania. By throwing it all in at first, you can't take any away.
ReplyDeleteZeus attacking Hogan on SNME was huge. That dude came off as a SERIOUS threat to Hogan
ReplyDeleteRude just didn't have much going on going in to SummerSlam '90. He was coming off a Mania 6 win over Snuka. I will forever contend that Rude vs. Piper was the way to go. Even if Roddy would not have laid down, Rude getting a strong showing prior to a DQ fuck finish would have paid off the '89 feud while giving Rude a legit main eventer to feud with.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, WM6 had some ass-backwards matches on it:
Rude vs. Snuka, Piper vs. Bad News?
- Why not Rude vs. Piper (they had an issue since SummerSlam '89), while Brown beats the "legend" Snuka?
Martel vs. Koko, Warlord vs. Tito?
- How about Tito vs. Martel paying off the Strike Force break-up from the previous year, while Warlord squashes Koko in a dark match?
VI was absolutely terrible except for the main event. Akeem v Big Bossman shouldn't have been a squash. Andre couldn't even tag in, etc etc.
ReplyDeleteRude was the best pure heel they had available, considering you weren't getting Warrior-Savage just yet. I think Warrior vs. Earthquake was the way to go, but with Hogan sticking around, it made sense to do Hulk-Quake. I think Rude was the best option in this case. Perfect didn't have the credibility or the back story that Rude had.
ReplyDeleteYeah, it needed some adjusting for sure. I would go with:
ReplyDelete1. Rockers def. Orient Express
2. Martel def. Santana
3. Beefcake def. Perfect
4. Demos def. Colossals for Tag Titles
5. Savage def. Rhodes
6. Roberts def. Dibiase
7. Piper def. Rude (Would love a Rude win, but not likely with Piper)
8. Earthquake dominates a 15-Man Battle Royale, sending out like five dudes on stretchers with his sit splash
9. Warrior def. Hogan for WWF & IC Titles
* Battle Royale: Warlord, Barbarian, Quake, Bad News, Snuka, Koko, Hercules, Bret, Anvil, Volkoff, Zhukov, Duggan, Bravo, Boss Man, Akeem
I'm ok with boss man beating Akeem as his push was coming, but making Akeem look like a fool was dumb
ReplyDeleteMacho man got asked the same and came clean on arsenio.ugh hogan lies screwed wwf up
ReplyDeleteHogan's promos were completely nonsensical as well, but I do agree that he came across as more of an actual human character, yes, whereas the Warrior was really more like a cartoon character or something out of a comic book.
ReplyDeleteI think the lack of viable challengers is really what killed Warrior off though. A champ is only ever as good as his challengers. They just didn't manage to come up with a program for Warrior that had real drawing power. Rick Rude was great and always likely a good bet to a get a decent match out of Warrior, but he was still essentially perceived as a mid-carder and Warrior had already been in a prolonged feud with the guy on the IC title scene. It just wasn't a program that was going to draw as a main event.
It didn't really help that the WWF didn't go all in with Warrior and instead hedged their bets by essentially giving Hogan vs Earthquake equal or greater billing than any program Warrior was in. He was undermined.
It's difficult to imagine who Warrior might've faced though. He'd already been through the entire roster. Maybe they should've started building Warrior vs Savage earlier, but that didn't really get going until late into Warrior's title reign, as I recall. Also, Savage himself was pretty way down the card at that point.
It's pure fantastical speculation, but if the WWF had been willing to throw an open chequebook at Sting at that time and bring him in to feud with Warrior for supremacy of the WWF...
Fuck you
ReplyDeleteYou suck
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you just shut the hell up, son ?
ReplyDeleteFUCK YOU
ReplyDeleteLol mark
ReplyDeleteU mad bro ?
ReplyDeleteYour mom suck stranger dicks for money
ReplyDeleteROH suck
ReplyDeleteYou suck balls
ReplyDeleteI do beleive you are a moron
ReplyDeleteFart noise
ReplyDeleteLOLSUCKMYDICK
ReplyDeletewho the fuck cares
ReplyDelete*fart in your face*
ReplyDeleteNakamura is an overated piece of trash
ReplyDeleteFat peice of shit who will never amount to anything
ReplyDelete