SummerSlam Buyrate Numbers
The show did 186,000 domestically and 112,000 Internationally
Credit F4WOnline.com
TNA Cancels More House Shows
The 10/4 show in Wichita and 10/5 show in Topeka have been cancelled
Credit F4WOnline.com
Kevin Nash Rips TNA via Twitter
https://twitter.com/realkevinnash
New RoH Heavyweight Champion to be Crowned Tonight at "Death Before Dishonor XI"
The semi-final matchups include Kevin Steen vs. Michael Elgin and Adam Cole vs. Tomasso Ciampa, with the winners facing off in the finals
http://www.rohwrestling.com/live/events/2013/sep/20/092013-death-dishonor-xi-philadelphia-pa
The show did 186,000 domestically and 112,000 Internationally
Credit F4WOnline.com
TNA Cancels More House Shows
The 10/4 show in Wichita and 10/5 show in Topeka have been cancelled
Credit F4WOnline.com
Kevin Nash Rips TNA via Twitter
https://twitter.com/realkevinnash
New RoH Heavyweight Champion to be Crowned Tonight at "Death Before Dishonor XI"
The semi-final matchups include Kevin Steen vs. Michael Elgin and Adam Cole vs. Tomasso Ciampa, with the winners facing off in the finals
http://www.rohwrestling.com/live/events/2013/sep/20/092013-death-dishonor-xi-philadelphia-pa
All 186k Summerslam buys can be attributed to HHHs role as guest official.
ReplyDeleteSummerslam: Who wants to do the comparison?
ReplyDeleteTNA: More sighs.
Nash: Hard to argue when he's right... just realize he's not always right.
RoH Champ: Cool.
Got this from the webs so I really don't know how accurate this is. For a little perspective.
ReplyDelete2013 - 298,000
2012 - 358,000
2011 - 296,000
2010 - 350,000
2009 - 369,000
As much as I tend to think Nash is a dick, I also find myself agreeing with him more often then not.
ReplyDeleteEVERYTHING IS FINE.
ReplyDeleteCircling the drain,,,
ReplyDeleteI think we've officially reached the point that show quality is not reflected in buyrates. Thieves gonna thieve.
ReplyDeleteBefore streaming many people watched for free on black boxes. I knew many people with them. I'm not so sure that's a good judge of the buy rate.
ReplyDeleteI agree. The streams (Of which I know nothing about and really I'm talking about water here. Yes. a nice stream of water.) The streams are getting way to good, way too easy to find and offer as good if not better service than the WWE streaming product. Which I ordered for this last PPV and it froze up 4 times, Meaning I didn't see Ryback come in, the finish of the Divas match, and a bunch of spots.
ReplyDeleteYou can't possibly think the numbers are comparable.
ReplyDeleteOf course they are. Just how way more people looked at pornography before the internet.
ReplyDeleteBack in the 90's a group of people would go over to the person's house that had the black box and watch the PPV. I think it is very comparable. Now people just watch the PPV alone.
ReplyDeleteIt's not comparable. I don't know how you got one of those black boxes, but you were pirating cable. It's like the piracy of music pre-internet. It was possible, but it wasn't easy.
ReplyDeleteAnd even if I don't do a stream, there are plenty of ways to download the show before Raw the next night.
People have a lot more access to streaming than they did to "black boxes." It really isnt that comparable
ReplyDeleteThere was definitely more than a small group of people who pirated cable in the 90's. The Simpsons even did an entire episode in season 2 about the subject.
ReplyDeleteSidenote: Love the scene where Marge reads the pamphlet "So You Decided To Steal Cable".
I never said I had a black box, I knew of people that had them. In the 90's you could order them out of the back of almost any magazine.
ReplyDeleteNash: Hard to argue when he's right... just realize he's not always right.
ReplyDeleteTGGI.
But compared to streams?
ReplyDeleteIf anything more people were interested in watching PPV back then. All it took was one person in the group with a box and the party was on.
ReplyDeleteStreaming just seems to be the latest excuse from WWE to rationalize why their business is down. It's much easier to blame it on streaming than it is to blame it on 10-plus years of shitty booking. And yet it hasn't hurt the movie business any, they're raking in more money than ever, funny how that works.
ReplyDeleteWWE also likes to blame the economy on dwindling PPV buy rates. Well if that's the case, then why are NFL games selling out left and right?
Last time I checked, NFL tickets for even a nosebleed seat cost a hell of a lot more than a WWE PPV, where's the economy there?
Movie theaters are still packed and tickets cost more than ever, where's the economy there?
And Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, Lady Gaga and Madonna are just a few people who perform in front of 15,000-plus every night and those tickets aren't cheap, so where does the economy factor in that?
Except that now you don't even need the magazine, nor do you need to order something in the mail that may or may not work. You just need the internet, which everyone already has. And for the most part it's not even illegal to watch a streamed show. (The illegality is in the upload.)
ReplyDeleteNow the stream or torrent is the black box, the party can include people from all over the country. You can't compare the scope.
ReplyDeleteOk a few things here.
ReplyDelete- It hasn't necessarily hurt the movie THEATER economy. Streaming (legal and illegal) has hurt the home rental business. When was the last time you went into a Blockbuster?
- Music concert sales are still a strong business for many artists - but record sales have gone off a cliff. Many artists are relying more on concerts because there's no money in recorded music anymore.
NFL tickets, movies, concerts - those are 'events' that you leave the house for. PPVs are not. Live event economy may be doing well, but there's really little doubt that streaming and downloading has drastically altered the business for forms of digital entrainment that you watch at home.
Yes, WWE booking has been hit or miss, but even taking that into account the way Americans consume enterainment has changed drastically since the 90s.
The Simpsons had an episode where Bart owned an elephant and another where Homer went into space. How many astronauts and elephant owners did you know in the 90's?
ReplyDeleteThere are two different issues here:
ReplyDelete1) I'm not saying that the business is down all over because of streams. I'm saying that streams were more harmful than black boxes.
2) Yes, it has hurt the movie business. There's a reason theaters are raising ticket prices and movies are becoming safer and more predictable. Plus, look at the home entertainment market, have you stepped into a Blockbuster or Hollywood in the last five years?
3) You can't compare the NFL or concerts with a WWE PPV. If it were live attendance, I'd agree with you, but not PPV buyrates.
Both you and Hough are covered by this response:
ReplyDeleteHome rentals are Netflix's bitch now. Blockbuster and its kind became proverbial dinosaurs once mail rentals exploded.
I'm coming up with nothing... what in the blue hell is TGGI?
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I used to have a tape record that allowed me to copy from one cassette to another. Or you could copy a LP to a cassette. Even hold up your tape player next to the radio.
ReplyDeleteEven though that technology existed in the 80s and 90s, nobody in their right mind would say that amount of pirated music out there is the same as it was back then.
Just because the technology existed doesn't mean it was used widely.
Now lets try to avoid spoiling who wins the touny here guys. Ppv is up tomorrow and I work hard to avoid the spoilers
ReplyDeleteWell, he definitely is an a-hole. But he's a smart a-hole with a good mind for the business.
ReplyDeleteCool. I'm a little overheated now, so the brain's not at 100%
ReplyDeleteThat's a funny line in hindsight considering that the movie channels in the 90's (especially The Movie Channel and Cinemax which were easily the best channels on the planet in the 90's) had far fewer repeats than today.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone the excellent Movie Channel Challenge, where TMC would show 400 movies in a single month without any repeats whatsoever? Or Cinemax's blatant rip-off of the TMC Challenge aka The Summer Of 1000 Movies?
Cinemax was SOOO much better 20 years ago it's scary. Even Cinemax's graphics 20 years ago were much better and more modern looking than the cheap looking black-and-white shit they use today. Epix is literally the only good movie channel around now.
And funnily enough, those so called two star movies are much better than most of the crap that comes out today. Where's Cirio Santiago and Andy Sidaris when you need them?
Had many of them through the years and out of 10 of my friends 4 of them had them too. They weren't hard to get. They just stopped working easily.
ReplyDeleteWell obviously Sheamus is the biggest draw.
ReplyDeleteI'm in the same boat. I've gotten back to making working out my priority and I've slept 20 hours this week. I'm just diet soda and protein shakes slathered over a skeleton and held together with a belt at this point.
ReplyDeleteI think on average a good, well-booked show will have more buys than a bad, crappy-booked show.
ReplyDeleteBut even a good, well-booked show now will sell less than a good, well-booked show from 20 years ago. Illegal streaming is definitely part of it, as well as the ability to watch it on Youtube within days. The fact that you have 5 hours of wrestling on prime-time TV plays a role as well - there just aren't many fresh matchups.
But illegal streaming definitely contributes.
Not to mention people who worked for the cable companies would sell either a box or a splinter that pirated cable. I had a friend who worked for a cable company who had a very profitable side business where he would install the cable into someone's house and then make the pitch "Oh by the way, for an extra $50 I can install this splinter and get you the premium channels free for life". He almost always ended up with an extra 50 bucks in his pocket by the end of the transaction. He never offered it to me because I had a B.U.D(aka Big Ugly Dish) and I was perfectly fine with paying an extra 20 bucks a month for Cinemax, Showtime, TMC, Flix and Encore since all of those channels were great and worth the money.
ReplyDeleteAnd I should point out that online streaming didn't kill that movement, the transition to digital cable killed that movement long before online streaming ever existed.
To hell with with the buyrate, SS this year was the shiznit.
ReplyDeleteHey dude, were you able to get a line for UM-Savannah St. at your site?
ReplyDeleteTHERE WILL BE A NEW CHAMP
ReplyDeleteoops, sorry :(
Agreed. I don't really pay attention to buy rates or ratings... but that number was jarring.
ReplyDeleteMy primary is Bovada, theyre not taking action in it though for some reason.
ReplyDeleteBy "safer" you mean more sequels of already successful franchises and less (outside of Tarentino) original concepts? If so, totally agree with all your post.
ReplyDeleteI would have to find a Blockbuster first.
ReplyDeleteHmm...lay down $60 for two matches that I can see for free...or lay down $60 for a video game that guarantees at least a hundred hours of distraction?
ReplyDeleteThey, like the music and movie industry, have to realize that they are competing with FREE. Make it easy, affordable and give me a product I want to support then you'll see my money.
Have fun with Smackdown tonight, I won't be about as I've got a NXT House Show to attend.
ReplyDeleteNo one draws anymore.
ReplyDeleteCena, Lesnar, Bryan, and Punk covrr every type of fan they have.
And it's still not enough
...you know HHH will claim responsibility for 2012, even though he's the one who dragged Brock to being a non factor in the year that followed...
ReplyDeletePyun was diagnosed with MS, although, he has an unofficial sequel to Streets of Fire called Road to Hell that he's been promoting sporadically due to his condition. Henenlotter is doing limited screenings of a video essay he made on the sexploitation industry (I helped work it's Philly premiere, kind of boring but still fun). Couldn't really say about the other two.
ReplyDeleteThank fucking Christ that shithole company went bankrupt. I worked for them for three years. Their management was the worst. One CEO held the company up for a larger severance package before he'd be willing to leave, and the guy that came in after him had ideas that were five years behind the industry.
ReplyDeleteSequels and remakes, established properties, tentpoles, focus groups to make things as accessible as possible to everyone that ends up loved by no one, yes.
ReplyDeleteAnd Tarantino is in a small group along with Scorsese, Cameron, Nolan, and (depending on how Avengers 2 does) Whedon. They're names that people trust. If Tarantino came along now? No way would he have the chance to succeed like he did.
The other two, Cirio and Andy died several years ago. I was metaphorically speaking as in where's the inventive filmmakers like those guys when we need them.
ReplyDeleteThere's actually a bit of a disconnect on music sales. Vinyl sales have actually consistently risen over the last decade as have digital downloads, while CD sales is where things are dire. The industry hypes it as death because CDs cost cents on the dollar to mass produce while vinyl costs way more and digital downloads offer the possibility of cutting the middle man (i.e. the record industry) out of the equation. I wouldn't entirely trust record industry quotes on the financials.
ReplyDeleteI'd throw the Cohens and Paul Thomas Anderson in there too, they seem to be able to make whatever the hell they feel like.
ReplyDeleteI'm torn, I want to upvote what he said, but upvoting Dougie feela dirty. Ah well down vote it is.
ReplyDeleteThere isn't an industry to hype low budget filmmakers anymore. People forget that even though Pyun and company were still working on the fringes of the film industry, it was still a part of the actual industry. Today, you have a ton of shit that has flooded the market with the introduction of digital. It's much harder to sort through all of that.
ReplyDeleteI considered PT Anderson, Aronofsky, and David O. Russell (though I forget about the Coens, shame on me) but they make smaller scale movies. They're not showing up with $100 million budgets.
ReplyDeleteTGGI.
ReplyDeleteYou summed it up quite nicely.
PPV is dead and dying. Just have a channel for wrestling that people pay for to see the PPVs, classics, repeats, and documentaries. Or, make the streaming service cheaper than an actual PPV.
ReplyDeleteNice. You'll get to see Bayley! Her character is so adorable I almost feel bad for really wanting to take her to the boneyard.
ReplyDeleteIts ROH... I never even heard of 2 of those guys.
ReplyDeletethe third guy is Elgin...
And the fourth guy is Fat Steen..
ok, good to know. I was looking to get action somewhere, but it seems impossible unless I go off the board.
ReplyDeleteThanks!
Keep with that line of thinking and you will either get
ReplyDelete1. Poop for Summerslam
2. No Summerslam
thats the uber-fan right?
ReplyDeleteshe has a nice ass.
It can't be both.
ReplyDeleteOr is that hipster talk?
No problem. I use sportsbook.com for smaller bets, they have it off the boards also.
ReplyDeleteThreadjack: I recently bought a TracFone, and it did not come with autocorrect. So I asked a Chinese guy to verbally autocorrect me, and now I can't make him leave. Any ideas?
ReplyDeleteYeah, ordering something through the mail vs. setting up something on a computer is much different.
ReplyDeleteVinyl Sales have risen? Yes I had head that. But going from "Almost Nothing" to "Very, very, very little" isn't really a significant. It's still a very tiny portion of the music industry. Vinyl sales plummeted when the CD came out, and even if they have increased over the past few years, hardly anyone owns a record player.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, I wouldn't trust the record industry worth a damn - but I also don't think it can really be argued that their sales haven't dropped precipitously. That doesn't mean people aren't enjoying music - they're just doing it via concerts, iTunes, directly from the artist, etc.
Look, WWE shouldn't have the line of thinking, they're there to make money. I get that. As a fan though, it was a helluva show. As someone who paid full HD price for it, I left a satisfied costumer.
ReplyDeletethe 6'5 thing is BS, but workrate is only important to a certain degree. it's great when you have it, but it's not like "austin vs. undertaker part 100,000" or "Hogan vs. fat dudes" was some great shakes in the ring.
ReplyDeleteI mean, I'd prefer the matches be great, but the guy who was probably the hottest thing ever in wrestling in a given time frame did it with a busted neck doing garbage brawling, and everyone was fine with that, because the character and the story were that strong. (and, I mean, yeah, if you ever were gonna have a guy be able to tell a story with brawls it's Austin, but they were still brawls).
Fat dudes have been an important part of wrestling since time
ReplyDeleteimmemorial.
Don't bother, Fuj ignores the myriad of fat guys who have had huge success and pretends they never existed
ReplyDeleteIgnore this post--now the PPV is both LIVE and FREE
ReplyDeletethat's just silly, he managed one of them to the world title, twice.
ReplyDeletePPV.
ReplyDeletePOINT TAKEN!
ReplyDeleteAHAHAHA, I meant to say "PPV free? what where?" I just got distracted.
ReplyDeleteIt's been changed, check out the blog homepage
ReplyDeleteWhich, in my opinion, is the BEST way to do it now.
ReplyDeleteFuck the RIAA, and may their death be painful to the people runing it. Musicians don't need the RIAA, but those bloodsuckers NEED willing victims.
Every type of fan that they have, sure, but not to draw in non-fans.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's the problem. They need someone whose personal charisma is enough to overcome the extreme uncoolness that is professional wrestling. And that's easier said than done.
Often, we try to look at a single number as being low or high in its own bubble. I'd say SummerSlam's "poor" numbers are a result of medium to long-term mistakes. But in this era of "3.0? GREAT! 2.7? OH MY GOD THEY'RE DYING!" attitudes, it's hard to allow any long-term trends to sort out.
ReplyDeleteAdam Cole is pretty legit. Good dickhead heal. PWG world champ.
ReplyDeleteDo you have a gun? Shoot him.
ReplyDeleteDo you not have a gun? Kick him in the balls.
Do you have a knife? Stabbity time.
Do you not have a knife? Kick him in the balls.
You get the point.
Yeah, Triple H standing tall at the end of the show will satisfy anyone,
ReplyDeleteHence Total Divas.
ReplyDeleteA free pay-per-view is an oxymoron.
ReplyDeleteI used "or".
ReplyDeleteShe is pretty awesome, have only missed 1 NXT tv taping in the past year (was all John Cena's fault), so know all about her. Sucks that I won't be able to see a Sami Zayn match since he's going to the big boys house shows this weekend again. Hope to see Sami Callihan and Samuray Del Sol though, haven't seen them yet.
ReplyDeleteI'm starting to think online illegal PPV streaming is starting to really cut into things significantly including the major shows. On the site (which I won't advertise) we had around 5,000 people on it, and on another I know of they had at least between 2-3,000.... you got to think how many of those people from just two (when there is countless amounts of these sites) plus many many more who download torrents the next day would of bought Summerslam (especially as the main events were very well built) if these mediums weren't available? It's become a serious issue for them especially as accessibility and quality have increased 10 folds over the last couple of years.
ReplyDeleteDo you have a hand? Punch him
ReplyDeleteI've obviously never watched that, so not really sure how it's supposed to work. Is it going to draw people to watch RAW, or is it going to become it's own entity for a few seasons, with limited crossover?
ReplyDeleteEither way, pretty much zero chance that any diva will ever be any sort of legit top draw on a wrestling program.
I had a couple of black boxes over the years.. Hell when I was younger my father had one of those old descrambler boxes with one switch in the front. I used to throw wrestling PPV parties in my house or at other people's houses back in the late 90's.
ReplyDeletePirating is SOOO much easier now (not that I do it of course). You pretty much get a link and download/watch it. But that's only if you're willing to watch it on your computer screen. Most people want to watch stuff in HD on their big ass TV sitting on a sofa. Hard to compete with that when it's being pirated.
How does iTunes work? Don't the labels still make money from songs that are purchased legitmately?
ReplyDeleteI honestly have no idea.
Half the wrestling audience is fat.. the other half was eaten by the first half.
ReplyDeleteDepends how many people would be buying otherwise. A big show I could see a non-zero, but low % of people shelling the money out with no other option, but a B show like the last one? No way.
ReplyDeleteIt's not like the difference is between free and $15
They brought in $15M for the show. This isn't like TNA where they were doing 4 figure buys.
ReplyDeleteJust Googled her.
ReplyDeleteYup.
WWE stock not doing well?
ReplyDeleteFor sure. And that's just the audience, let alone the performers.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but brawling doesn't necessarily mean bad workrate.
ReplyDeleteAdvantage of not caring who makes the point... I'll upvote Dougie when he makes sense. And for the 99/100 times he doesn't, it's either a downvote or an ignore.
ReplyDeleteIt's five digits on torrents most of the time.
ReplyDeleteI know this sounds dumb or that I'm f-ing with you but...
ReplyDeleteBundy (debatable, run against Hogan for WMII and that's it)
Yokozuna
Vader(?)
Umaga (is that even considered huge success?)
who else...?
Now, can we count the guys who made a good living pre-WWE or outside the "major leagues"?
ReplyDeleteHaystacks Calhoun, One Man Gang, Gorilla Monsoon, and if I had the time or inclination I could come up with a few more.
Going off the last frame of the show is dumb. Now if HHH spent half the show Pedigree-ing and no-selling most of the roster, then I doubt that would make anyone happy. Other than the King of Kings and the Queen of Queens. (Amazed Steph never tried that pun out on herself...)
ReplyDeleteBut a pretty good card, with little to no wasted time (matches OR skits), can get away with a "bad" ending on occassion.
He probably know kung fu, because all Asian know martial arts at birth.
ReplyDeleteyes they do. But they make less than before, especialky since people mostly buy a couple songs instead of a full album.
ReplyDeleteHaystacks and Gorilla came up in a time and era so far removed from this that I'm not even sure it's fair to include them.
ReplyDeleteOne Man Gang?! Okay, if we're defining OMG as having "huge success" then sure, we can start listing Kamala, Tugboat, Earthquake, etc. How are we quantifying "huge success" though?
Made good money in the business would be my call.
ReplyDeleteKamala's close, as is Tenta... Tugboat gets a solid no.
not inherently, but it combined with Austin's limitations (and the big lugs he was in there with) certainly led to some bad matches.
ReplyDeleteHuge success was relative making it to the big leagues and being a player (VS being an indy goof/territory jobber).
ReplyDelete-Kamala
-Andre, Show--other guys who were also giant
-One Man Gang
-Mark Henry
-Rikishi
-Gorilla Monsoon
-Bam Bam Bigelow
-John Tenta (Earthquake)
-MICK FOLEY
Just a few examples
Drawing in non-fans is what you need to grow--shrinking so much means they are losing the fans they had from year to year--and that's the shitty booking of the four previously named men's fault
ReplyDeleteBy that standard, Bubba/Bully Ray, Brodus Clay, Bray Wyatt, Big John Studd probably fits, Abyss (depending on TNA inclusion), Big Show, Mabel, Abdullah the Butcher, Fred Ottman, and DUSTY RHODES ( I also wanted to capitalize one).
ReplyDeleteI would say that Dusty was pretty successful, no?
ReplyDeleteFair.
ReplyDeleteNash's Twitter feed proves that the ability to spell is unrelated to one's IQ.
ReplyDeleteCalhoun was the Goldberg of his time, which maybe shows how much the business has changed.
ReplyDeleteIt's unfair to compare the fat guys to, say, Flair or Austin. With the exception of Hogan and a few others, super-heavyweights were booked as monster heels. They were the foils, not the champ. You have to assess their success in terms of the programs they participated in with someone else.
I think someone posted this earlier, but there are a LOT of people that stole cable back in the days too. Some people won't pay for stuff unless it's cheap and convenient (hence itunes). I myself haven't paid for a PPV in over 10 years. Even in my wrestling fan heyday, I would wait for the PPV to come out on VHS tape and then rent it. Wanna know the first time I bought a PPV?? When In Your House came around and the price fit my budget.. after that it was only Royale Rumble and Wrestlemania. I almost always get my money's worth.
ReplyDeleteI'm not much of a gamer, but i ALWAYS spend money on the GTA franchise. Just like I don't go to the movies, but Marvel will almost always get my money on opening weekend.
ReplyDeleteIf you build it, we will come..
"Either way, pretty much zero chance that any diva will ever be any sort of legit top draw on a wrestling program."
ReplyDeleteNot in the PG era that is.
Why pay $60 for a ppv when the $15 dvd of it comes out three weeks later?
ReplyDeleteI mentioned the cable box thing earlier. I also recalled that around 2000-2002 I used to pay exactly $1 to go to the horse track and watch PPV's. I also have sporadically went to bars for PPV's. There are many ways to view WWE PPV without shelling out the ridiculous price for the HD feed. I have bought Royal Rumble for several years in a row, I passed on this years Wrestlemania as it was far too obvious who the winners of the 3 big matches were going to be.
ReplyDeleteThey got alot of mileage out of Earthquake.
ReplyDeleteFree if you're a thief.
ReplyDelete"(Amazed Steph never tried that pun out on herself...)"
ReplyDeleteDon't give them any ideas.
Mayweather did 2.2 million buys last week. Pretty sure the streaming didn't hurt him. If people want to buy a show, they'll buy it.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Bayley's got one of the sexiest bodies of any Diva in WWE. But her face... meh... not so much.
ReplyDeleteI have *NO IDEA* how I missed Dusty. For sure. And yes, Mick Foley as well. Points taken.
ReplyDeleteNo one ever said he wasn't smart. If he wasn't smart, he wouldn't have gotten to be who he is.
ReplyDeleteYou people are crazy if you think the number of people who stole cable in the 80s and 90s is anywhere near the number of people who illegally stream things off of torrent.
ReplyDeleteI think over-exposure is a big part of it. Mayweather fights three or four times a year. WWE has monthly PPVs plus five hours of weekly prime time cable. Only the most hardcore fans are going to be interested in watching all that, much less pay for it.
ReplyDeleteWould The Hammer be considered a fat guy? The Andersons weren't the slimmest bunch either, but that's also from the burly Man's Man era...
ReplyDeleteThe last time I purchased a PPV was in early 1996 when they had some sort of thing where they broadcasted the entire last year of PPVs for about 30 bucks. That was about the price of 1 PPV at the time. My brother and I traded sleeping times to make sure we recorded the entire thing to a 6 pack of VHS tapes. Awesome deal, even if it was mostly over 1995 PPVs, the worst year in WWF history. I didn't have the ability to stream a PPV until about 2008. In the time in between, I simply didn't watch the PPVs unless I went to rich friends (or someone who is careless with their money) house who could afford it. 50 bucks or so is simply ridiculous. It doesn't matter how good the show is, I'm not paying. In other words, online streaming has had no effect on my purchases, because I didn't purchase the PPVs before piracy anyways. However, if WWE wants to sell the entire last year of PPVs for 30 bucks again, I'll gladly pay again.
ReplyDeleteYup. And everyone on the internet is in some form or another.
ReplyDeleteThough I imagine, for the sake of your posting gimmick, you've never watched any wrestling online that wasn't from the official WWE YouTube channel.
Nope. I have morals.
ReplyDeleteBut obviously have no problem lying, so that's fun.
ReplyDeleteCouldn't have happened to a nicer group of people really, well except Apple...and that's coming too.
ReplyDeleteKeep trying to convince yourself that everybody is a thief like you. We're not. You're the aberration.
ReplyDeleteIt's hilarious watching you stuck in a place where you can't admit you're wrong but also not being able to defend why you're right.
ReplyDeleteYou've watched illegal content on the internet and no amount of calling me names is going to change that. Like I said, we can do this forever because, as you know, you can't win.
Untrue. The whole world isn't thieves like you. Keep repeating yourself though. Maybe it'll convince somebody that you're not a horrible person. I doubt it.
ReplyDeleteYou've done it. You've visited the site. There's no convincing here. You're mere presence confirms that you've done it because unofficial videos are posted every day.
ReplyDeleteMore names! How fun!