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Clash Countdown: #14

The SmarK Retro Rant for WCW Clash of the Champions XIV: Dixie Dynamite!

(Since we’re nearing the halfway point with these, we’ll slow it down now so I can catch up and have time to redo the later shows.) 

- You know Dusty Rhodes was back with the promotion because suddenly the Clashes had alliterative subtitles again.

- Live from Gainesville, GA

- Your hosts are Jim Ross & Dusty Rhodes, freshly back in the booking chair again after being humiliated by Vince McMahon for the previous year and a bit. It should be noted that throughout the show, JR managed to develop the preeminent strategy for dealing with Dusty’s color commentating style – he would simply allow Dust to ramble on for as long as he wanted to, wait until he was out of breath, and then continue on with his own commentary as though Dusty hadn’t said anything. Most effective indeed.

- Opening match, WCW tag team titles: Doom v. Lex Luger & Sting.

This wasn’t announced as a tag title match, but I’m pretty sure it was hyped as one. No real reason for the match to happen. Reed & Sting start, and Sting dominates and grabs an arm. Luger comes in with a neckbreaker, but Reed manages to tag Simmons and a power battle ensues. Sadly, six months later and this matchup is headlining their PPVs. No one gives anything until Ron cheapshots Lex. Luger overpowers him again and gets an atomic drop and suplex for two. He gets hotshotted, however, and we take an AD BREAK OF DOOM. We return with Ron powerslamming Lex for two. Luger fights back, but Ron keeps hammering him. Reed comes in with a dropkick and hits the chinlock. Luger facejams Simmons to come back, but Reed hits the flying shoulderblock, the force of which sends Luger crashing into his own corner for the hot tag. See, now that’s some inventive booking, I’ll give them credit for that. Dan Spivey comes out to heat up the match with Luger at the WrestleWar PPV (which was an awesome, **** match, defying several laws of physics and thermodynamics in the process) and beats the crap out of him, leaving Sting 2-on-1. Ref bumped, but Reed tosses Sting over the top to draw the DQ at 7:44. Well, you know Dusty’s booking, all right. Match was about a zillion notches below what you’d expect for both teams. *  (Doom was pretty much past their shelf life anyway and ready to split.) 

- World TV title match: Tom Zenk v. Beautiful Bobby.

This is one of those matches that makes you realize how silly wrestling and backstage politics in general really are. Zenk had spent most of 1990 getting buried under the Ole Anderson regime, then won the TV title from a bored Arn Anderson when Jim Ross took over temporary control of the booking committee in early 1991 in order to freshen up the division. Then, two weeks into his reign, Dusty Rhodes returned from Whiff Hell and immediately started putting his cronies over again, starting with Anderson regaining the TV title from Zenk a few days before this match at a TV taping. Of course, the taping wouldn’t air for a week or two AFTER this, so poor Zenk got the honor of going out on live TV and defending a lame duck title. I think he should have went out and “accidentally” jobbed to Bobby, just to play mindgames with Dusty. It probably wouldn’t have mattered much in the long run if Zenk had been given a longer run, because the title was soon going to be welded around Steve Austin’s waist, but putting the title on Arn again served no purpose except to give Bobby an established name to beat when he won the title. Anyway, that’s not even the dumbest thing about this match. See, Zenk had just won a contest held by Missy Hyatt for the “Sexiest Wrestler in WCW” (and I don’t even wanna know what first prize was…), leading to straight-arrow ring announcer Gary Michael Capetta being forced to introduce him as “The WCW Television champion, and SEXIEST MAN IN WRESTLING” and keep a straight face the whole time. Sadly for Tom, I am under no such constaints of professionalism, so BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Shoving match goes nowhere to start. They do a bit of matwork and Tom works a wristlock. Eaton stalls, and works his own armbar. He goes up and gets dropkicked to the floor, but Zenk lets him come back in. They slug it out and do the test of strength bit, and Eaton cheapshots him to take control. He goes up, but gets slammed off and Zenk comes back. Backdrop gets two. Blind charge hits elbow and Eaton goes up with a flying kneedrop that looked like a miscommunicated spot, but Zenk cradles for two. Eaton gets the neckbreaker for two. Zenk rollup gets two, and a backslide gets the pin (!?) at 7:08. That’s only the third time I’ve ever seen that actually work. The replay reveals CONTROVERSY~!, as Eaton looks to have lifted his shoulder at two. Ooo, let me buy the PPV rematch right now. Or not. Very slow start, built okay, ending was out of nowhere and sucked the meat missile with gusto. *1/2  (And then Eaton went on to win the belt from Anderson before dropping it to Austin.  Really weird booking at this point.) 

- The Freebirds v. Tommy Rich & Allen Iron Eagle.

This was during the glory days of Hayes & Garvin’s run as, to paraphrase Frank Jewett, “mascara-wearing scuzzballs” and just before the infamous negative title reign. Hayes blocks a rollup from Rich and gets powerslammed, and Garvin gets slammed in turn. Allen Iron Jobber comes in to bat cleanup, and those of you who have watched enough wrestling to know what happens when a JTTS tags in a full-blown jobber probably won’t be surprised when I tell you that Hayes bulldogs him to take over. Hayes hits the chinlock, and that goes on for a while. Unintentionally funny spot when he releases the hold: Iron Jobber gets to his feet and Hayes unleashes one of his devastating rights (the kind that JR always goes “Gosh!” or some similar outburst for), complete with slapping of the arm to simulate contact…but poor Allen has hair in his face, and doesn’t realize that Hayes is even throwing a punch, and in fact completely ignores the move. Hayes gets pissed and tosses him, giving a couple of stiff shots on the floor. Back in, Iron Jobber fucks up ANOTHER spot, as Garvin makes a blind charge to the corner…and Allen forgets to move, forcing Garvin to hit a running kneelift. So they repeat the spot, and thankfully this time he remembers his cue. Everyone’s in without the benefit of a tag, and Allen gets a sunset flip on Garvin, but Hayes breaks. False tag to Rich, and the Birds double-DDT Iron Jobber for the pin at 5:53. I don’t think that guy hit ONE spot properly in the whole match. Of course, Kevin Nash built his career on the same habit. Match is great for comedy value, but not much else. -**

- Jumpin’ Joey Maggs v. Sid Vicious.

Thankfully, Sid was keeping his own team of EMTs on retainer, just in case of matches such as this one. Clothesline, clothesline, powerbomb at 1:08. Yup. DUD Sid beats him up again on the stretcher, just because.  (RIP, Jumpin’ Joey.) 

- Ricky Morton v. Terry Taylor.

Capetta goes 2-for-2 on sounding stupid for the night, introducing Taylor as “The computerized man of the 1990s”, an introduction which meant nothing, because Taylor doesn’t turn heel until the end of this match! (Because WCW.)  Standard face v. face stuff to start, and Morton gets a series of armdrags to frustrate Taylor. Morton works a headlock, and we take an ad break. We’re back with Taylor working a hammerlock. He clubs Morton and blocks a rollup attempt. Morton goes back to the arm, as Alexandra York (Terri) joins us at ringside. Taylor uses the distraction to attack, and gets a jawbreaker for two. Alexandra gets one of those little video inserts on split-screen to explain that Taylor is the newest member of the York Foundation. The original member was Michael Wallstreet, but he jumped to the WWF to become IRS shortly before this. I didn’t actually get TBS at this point and was depending on Worldwide Wrestling for my NWA fix, so I was somewhat confused when York was managing Rotundo one week and Taylor the next, with no explanation given by the announcers, who I guess assumed everyone in the world got TBS or something. Butterfly suplex and kneedrop get two for Taylor. Morton cradles him for two, so Taylor chokes him down to complete the heel turn. Bulldog gets two. Taylor goes up and misses a pump splash, and they slug it out. Morton gets the Enemy Pummel and a suplex for two. Dropkick, but he misses a second one and Taylor gets the pin at 8:32. The computer told York that Morton would miss a dropkick and fall on his head? I’ve gotta get me one of those. **1/4 Finish actually looked rushed, because Morton fell awkwardly into the ropes and smacked the back of his head hard on the mat, so I think they may have gone home early to compensate.

- Bill Apter presents Sting with the Wrestler of the Year award. Look closely and you can see him taking the payoff from WCW. Well, they’re both out of business now, so everyone got what they deserved for the whole scam.  (Bill has of course since e-mailed me to note that everything was in fact completely legit.) 

- Ranger Ross v. El Cubano.

Cubano is a generic masked jobber in black tights and black mask, and if I were forced to bet my life on his identity, I’d guess that it’s someone like Bob Cook. They were making yet another try for a Ross push under the guise of Gulf War Patriotism, but Ross fucked it up by getting involved in some VERY shady dealings and ended up spending significant time in prison for beating his wife. (There was kind of an awesome secondary story to it, where he got arrested and apparently tried to blow up the police station to hide the evidence.  You have to admire that a little.  For some reason a lot of it didn’t come out until years afterwards.)  Gary Capetta introduces him as “El Coobano”, as though he were JFK or something. I guess they didn’t wanna go into the territory of having Ross beat up Arabs, so decided to go with a non-threatening Communist country for their generic bad guy. You just find all the great cheesy jobber names on these Clashes, like “The Terrorist” or “The Blackmailer”. I mean, sure Fidel Sierra’s run as the Cuban Assassin didn’t exactly send anyone running for their lives, but “Cuban Assassin” at least sounds vaguely threatening and heelish. Naming someone “The Blackmailer” is just silly. You might as well just call them “The Adulterer” and have them wear a big scarlet letter across their chest. “That’s right, Mean Gene, I cheated on my wife, and I’ll DO IT AGAIN!” (Crowd boos here). “And I’ll cheat on ALL YOUR WIVES, TOO!” Why not run through all the misdemeanor crimes for jobber names? “The Drug Possessor” seems like it would have possibilities. “That’s right, Mean Gene, I have a kilo of grass here. Now, I’m not saying I’m gonna use it or traffic it, but it’s here, and THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!” Or what about “The Jaywalker”? Okay, the interview possibilities there might be a little bit limited, granted. However, you can also introduce “The Inattentive Driver”, and one day shoot a skit where The Jaywalker is busy jaywalking, and is almost run down by The Inattentive Driver, and POW, Insta-Feud. Yeah. Anyway, I guess there was some match or something I’m supposed to be reviewing. Ross dumps him with a dropkick, but gets kneedropped back in. Ross works the arm, and that goes on for a while. Cubano suplexes him and goes up, but misses “The Havana Hammer”. Okay, the poor guy didn’t actually get to name his one big offensive move, but geez, he’s gotta go out there and call himself “El Cubano” and wearing a black body stocking with a lightning bolt on the leg, let’s cut him SOME slack. I mean, lightning bolts don’t even have anything to do with Cuba! Wazzupwitdat? So, El Cubano, your missed splash shall be known forever in my mind and heart as “The Havana Hammer”. Here’s to you! Ross dumps him and they brawl, and back in the Ranger rolls him up for the pin at 3:03. Oh, man, he didn’t even get to put over the guy’s finisher. That’s like the biggest insult you give a jobber. DUD  (This is what happens when I get bored.) 

- The Renegade Warriors v. Barry Windham & Arn Anderson.

Windham & Anderson have their portraits hanging on the wall directly opposite the camera, which pretty much gives away the finish well in advance. Barry is looking noticeably out of shape here. Big brawl to start, and the Horsemen bail. Windham gets double-teamed and lets Arn try against Mark Youngblood. No luck there. Chris rolls up Arn for two. Barry goes again and gets dropkicked. Barry finally cheapshots Mark and the Horsemen take over. The Warriors double-chop Barry, but Chris walks into a spinebuster from Arn and he’s dead. Barry suplexes him for two. DDT gets two. Arn works a facelock and atomic drops Chris. They mess up Arn’s famous missed pump splash spot (I guess Chris has never actually, you know, watched wrestling before), and it’s hot tag to Mark. It seems pretty BONZO GONZO to me. Mark gets dumped, however, and Chris is hung out to dry with a running lariat and superplex from Barry to finish at 7:29. Lethargic squash for Dusty’s boyz. 1/2*

- Stan Hansen offers Tony Schiavone his usual haute couture interview on the subject of his match with Vader at WrestleWar.

- Sgt. Buddy Lee Parker v. Brian Pillman.

Pillman bridges out of a knucklelock and dropkicks Parker, working the arm. Crucifix gets two. Headscissors puts Parker out, and Pillman slingshots him back in and keeps on the arm. Parker tries to slingshot him into the ring in turn, but Pillman lands on his feet and spinkicks him. Parker gets his Token Jobber Offense in, and stalls on the ramp to sell the devastating force of the bodyslam that he managed to unleash. Indeed, I’ve seen many good men beaten by the slamming of their body onto the mat like that, but Pillman is made of sterner stuff and comes back to hit a plancha onto Parker. They head back in, and Parker is so busy arguing with the referee (“Tastes great!” “Less filling!”) that he doesn’t notice Pillman coming off the top rope with a flying bodypress to finish at 3:18. Another squash in a series – collect them all! 1/2*

- Arm-wrestling match: Paul E. Dangerously v. Missy Hyatt.

Paul is READY and pumped…until Missy takes off her jacket to reveal low-cut spandex, resulting in Paul’s head exploding and an easy win for Missy. With modern perspective, one might wonder why Missy had that effect on Paul, but it was a more innocent time then.  (Hey, he certainly swears that he’s straight.) 

- WCW World title: Ric Flair v. Scott Steiner.

There’s a story surrounding this match that I’ll get to later. Stalling to start. Scott overpowers him and Flair stalls again. Flair works a wristlock but gets overpowered again. Steiner with a backdrop and sideslam for two. Flair bails. Back in, Flair unleashes the chops, but gets hiptossed. Steiner works the arm, and they do some matwork, which leads to Flair bailing again. Back in, Flair cheapshots the knee but gets Steinerlined. Flair bails again. Yeesh. Steiner suplexes him for two and pummels him in the corner, but gets atomic dropped. I’m not sure he HAS anything to hurt left after all the steroids, but I’ll pretend. Another atomic drop, and Flair tosses him. Steiner sunset flips in, but Flair punches him in the face to block. Pinfall attempt in the corner gets two. Now we’re getting somewhere. Ad break, and and we return with Steiner putting Flair in his own figure-four. Flair makes the ropes, and both guys tumble over the top on a cross body. Flair uses the kneebreaker on the floor, however, and they head back in, where Flair starts unmercifully pounding on the knee. Whoo! Just felt it had to be said. Figure-four, and he grabs the ropes for leverage, but Rick Steiner points out Flair’s indiscretion to the ref. What a fink. Backdrop suplex and now we go to school again, but Steiner reverses. Steiner gets a Rude Awakening, and tosses Flair to the corner for the Flair Flip as he bails. Steiner follows him and just kills him with a Steinerline. Awesome. Back in, Steiner pounds away, but Flair goes low. Figure-four is reversed for two. Steiner’s leg is “numb as a cucumber”, sayeth Dusty. That’s truly the strangest simile I’ve heard all week. Steiner grabs a sleeper, then clotheslines Flair out. Back in, Flair slugs him down and gets the kneedrop for two. Flair works a headlock to burn the rapidly-dying time, but Steiner bridges out and into the tiger driver. Flair bails, but gets Steinerlined on the way in. Another Flair Flip and this time Flair tries to complete the move by coming off the top, but Scott catches him coming down, and TV time expires at 24:39. This was basically the first 25 minutes of a 40-minute ***** match, but it wasn’t that match by any means. ***1/2 The story behind the match, which I’ve told before, is that Steiner was in fact being offered the title on a silver platter by both Flair & Dusty, which is one of the few times in history where both men were unanimous in wanting the title to pass to the same guy. However, Scott didn’t want to break up the team and refused the title, rightly suspecting that they were only keeping his brother around to humor him. Shortly after this, Scott suffered what was almost a career-ending arm injury, and it took him 9 years to make it back to a level where he was a legitimate contender for the World title again. That’s life in the funny pages, kids.  (Honestly, I’m not sure where the Steiner story came from, as it’s clearly not the case and it wouldn’t even make sense to have Scott get the World title at that point.  Probably RSPW lore stemming from something that just got repeated enough to have the ring of truth.  It certainly became much easier to check these things once I had the WON.) 

The Bottom Line: Steiner-Flair is quite interesting and well worthwhile, but the rest is, frankly, junk and not worth the trouble of tracking down. Things would of course get much, MUCH worse for WCW in 1991, but thankfully this during Dusty’s initial booking period, where he burned up all his good booking ideas in one shot before the Ric Flair Disaster of July that nearly destroyed the promotion six months into its existance.

Recommendation to avoid unless you’re overwhelmed with curiosity to see Ric Flair v. Scott Steiner in their only title match.

Comments

  1. Me? Adjust what? You can defend WWE all you want for their decisions, but as of this very moment Vince has egg all over his face.

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  2. And Bob's Your UncleMay 16, 2014 at 3:00 PM

    Those monsters!

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  3. I thought the Ranger Ross story was that he was wanted for beating his wife, and that he went hiding in the woods, setting all sorts of traps to ward off the cops?


    Maybe the two stories are connected somehow. That's awesome (minus beating the wife).

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  4. And Bob's Your UncleMay 16, 2014 at 3:02 PM

    I wasn't defending them. I was actually doing the opposite.

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  5. And Bob's Your UncleMay 16, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    Do the humpty hump

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  6. Think we can cut Scott some slack here on the Flair/Steiner thing, the early IWC was filled with supposed "facts" that have since been revealed as total crap (see how Eric Bischoff was supposedly booking the AWA in its last days).

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  7. taken from the immortal Wrestling Sleaze thread from 2004:

    "Ranger Ross got put in jail because he freaked out and held up a bunch of cops hiding in the woods like Jonny Rambo. He's a legit Green Beret and he evidently had one of those Vietnam flashbacks like Strawberry in "Up in Smoke" and decided he was going to take on the world. He held off the cops hiding in the woods for several days in full camoflage regalia with military style arms and booby traps set up."

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  8. Oh sorry, I misinterpreted.

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  9. Not sure if this will go anywhere, but a private investment firm that just made a buttload of money shorting WWE stock now bought a stake in it and is calling on the Board of Directors to "promptly replace the company’s executive management team, or explore the sale of the business."

    http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/05/lemelson-goes-long-world-wrestling-entertainment-inc-wwe/

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  10. Dude....we just ate half a thread with NBA talk.

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  11. I doubt either will happen.

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  12. Won't go anywhere, only because the "power stock", the stock with any real voting rights, is in the hands of Vince and Friends.


    What's on the market is "common stock", with so little power that one person could hold all of it and... do fuck all.

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  13. As long as the "Von Erich kills a cat with a thrown saw blade" story is still viable, I'm a happy camper.


    ;)

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  14. He seems to be of the opinion that "any publicity is good publicity". But absolutely nobody was going to read that in the papers and then tune into Nitro or Thunder to see DAVID ARQUETTE. If you're gonna hotshot a title onto a celebrity, it better be somebody that is on fire and that people give a shit about.

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  15. Will this all result in any change in the product?

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  16. Luckily for this company, I bet none of its clients really know anything about WWE (either on the wrestling or corporate end)... otherwise they might want to look into changing firms ASAP.

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  17. I think, eventually, WWE would like all of their content, including new Raw and Smackdown, to be on the network, I don't know if that will be viable in the foreseeable future, but, if everything is on the network, then it seems like it would be easier to get into these markets, but, admittedly, I'm not sure if that's accurate or not.

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  18. Short answer: Not likely.


    Long answer: Not bloody likely.

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  19. It could, but I think Vince is more likely to double down on the same old same old.

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  20. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 16, 2014 at 3:17 PM

    dislike

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  21. The 2000 equivalent of that would have been...who? Britney Spears?


    Actually, Britney as WCW champion sounds like a total Russo idea

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  22. If Scott Steiner wins the title here, WWE probably goes out of business the next day because of shockwaves of awesomeness. It's basic sciences and maths.

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  23. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 16, 2014 at 3:18 PM

    parallax

    /duh and beaten to death

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  24. That, you know, would be, you know, helpful to, you know, his speaking style. And things of that nature.

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  25. As someone who works retail hardware... it's not easy to chunk a circular saw blade with that much force AND accuracy.


    I don't approve of his choice in target, but the story as a whole is still quite cool.

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  26. Not just any math. But...STEINER MATH!

    *obligatory excuse to post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFoC3TR5rzI*

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  27. Such an embarrassing piece of crap. I hate this list.

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  28. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 16, 2014 at 3:20 PM

    yeah, and props to the 9/11 masterminds, right?

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  29. Killing a cat = killing thousands of people.


    Got it.

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  30. The El Cubano and company sidetrack makes me laugh every time, no matter how many times I've read the Clash 14 rant throughout the years.

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  31. Only if he his manager/valet was called The Other Woman

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  32. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 16, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    no, my point was giving props to something that resulted in any kind of death

    there's no way the story can be cool, and there's no reason to applaud whichever von erich did it, however difficult the task might be

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  33. Deaths can be cool... self-inflicted ones (through stupidity) are the coolest.


    Like the three nitwits who decided to play "chicken" with a "dud LANDMINE". One guess where their parts ended up.

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  34. Rick Steiner was never going to reach the heights of his brother but he was hardly some scrub who couldn't hold down a spot on the roster circa 1991. As for Scott i never believed the story of a world title run this early. As a challenger for Ric,Sting or Lex yes but he would have to go toe to toe with Barry,Sid & Vader for that spot and he just didn't have the mic skills to hang yet.

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  35. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 16, 2014 at 3:25 PM

    is this the part where i'm supposed to call for yours or something? i think i'm supposed to based on recent goings-on here in the BoD

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  36. Because Barry, Sid, & Vader were known for bringing down the house with their 20 minute monologues?

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  37. LOL... I'd just agree to disagree, personally. I don't hold anywhere near that level of ill will towards anybody here. Not even the mentally deficient.

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  38. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 16, 2014 at 3:28 PM

    we can consult the by-laws, and revisit it after the recess

    i mean, not "the recess," but after recess in general... I CALL ONE OF THE SWINGS~

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  39. Yeah, while Scott might have been a little raw on the mic, I wouldn't exactly hold those three up as paragons.

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  40. But my point is they won't change evolution/Shield booking plans because the stock prices decreased

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  41. He did have half the brain that you do!

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  42. Your_Favourite_LoserMay 16, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    his finisher can be called "working late" or "drinks with the guys"

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  43. "This was during the glory days of Hayes & Garvin’s run as, to
    paraphrase Frank Jewett, “mascara-wearing scuzzballs” and just before
    the infamous negative title reign"

    Negative title reign? NEGATIVE TITLE REIGN? WHO? WHAT? HOW? WHY?

    *Austin face*

    Fuck that company.

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  44. Months of tapings + live specials = CHAOS! ANARCHY! HILARITY!

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  45. But the important question is, did he sell meat out of a truck in Minneapolis?

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  46. Seeing that this is wrestling (and as kbjone said - the McMahon clan has all of the power) I think this firm can expect a box of shit to arrive via FedEx on Monday.

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  47. The Bruiser Brody/mop story may not be true, but no wrestling bullshit story makes me laugh harder (aside from the RSPW Vader XMas story)

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  48. So big dust booked Ric Flair vs Tatsumi Fujinami as the main event of the first ever Superbrawl. What was the explanation for that hot mess?


    Why didn't Sting get a proper rematch? On the plus side he brings back Nikita Koloff soon after this yet at the same time overpushes Dustin to the point of hilarity.

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  49. Meltzer said Vince lost $350M in the last 24 hours. I bet TV on Monday is going to be reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal fun.

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  50. That would really only happen if they were able to get private equity commitments and that's a whole other bag of tricks you really don't want. The way this stock is structured they get the best of both worlds: capital to fund new projects like the training center, network, studio, etc. along with not having to really listen to the investors because they hold zero power. WWE will likely make some adjustments to appease investors and keep the stock at a reasonable price, but they don't need to do anything if they don't want to -- the business is pretty stable and realistically they're on the right course with the network. Still I would NOT want to be an employee at Titan Towers today. If Vince hates sneezes, a 45+% stock drop in a day is likely causing him to go nuts.

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  51. They have been pretty reactionary lately though. Although,, who could blame them for changing the original WM plans

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  52. Is it even worth releasing the wrestlers they would release as a result of this loss? Going back to private might be best for the company - innovation is problematic when shareholders are breathing down your neck. We see it at film studios.

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  53. Yes. The shows will be booked by me for now on. Expect a lot of Nebb28's Pet Rock and Hoss

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  54. That list is awesome!

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  55. It plays constantly on the menu screen, too.

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  56. Vince talked a big game when it came to getting an increase in TV revenue and didn't deliver on it when push came to shove. Vince pulled a Dixie Carter and overhyped and underdelivered on a boast he made.

    WWE stock has taken quite the downturn since February 2014 when it was at as much 32 bucks a share. Heads are probably going to roll from this.

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  57. That's ECW in a nutshell. Historically important, very influential, doesn't hold up very well in the present

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  58. I would have to think R Truth and Miz would share the blame...

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  59. * R&R Express walk in on Jimmy Valiant laying on the floor jerking off under a glass table that a hooker is shitting on. Ricky throws up and leaves, while Robert stays to watch.



    If you can't laugh at some of the stuff on this list, you truly have no soul.

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  60. Dish and direct TV showed wm. They have now dropped wwe ppvs

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  61. My first ever glimpse of WCW was right around this period. I remember the Z man being the Television champ, and eventually losing it to "That guy from the Brain Busters".

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  62. just use a vpn/dns server.

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  63. that's why they try to put more "original shows" on there.

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  64. Dude, you are the biggest critique here.

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  65. Should we not be expecting "thank you" posts for educating the BoD?

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  66. At the same time, Cornette isn't a crazy fanboy or anything. He's worked and gotten to know people that worked under Russo. Cornette didn't hate Russo just because he was a bad booker, he hated him because he forced wrestlers to do stupid shit that shortened their careers or broke their bodies.


    I mean, if you worked with someone who was directly responsible for a lot of injuries at your workplace, wouldn't you feel absolute hatred for the guy?

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  67. Ha ha, Duncan's good and Lebron's good and Michael Jordan was good. ONLY HERE AT THE BLOG OF DOOM FOLKS.

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  68. What in god's name are you talking about?

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  69. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx74s-GHsns



    Have any ninjas been spotted at Titan Tower?

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  70. I respectfully disagree with your stance on the list.

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  71. Steiner/Flair is so much less interesting when watched as an adult. You know Flair isn't going to be able to take most of Steiner's big moves, so the Frankensteiner teases are worthless. I loved that match as a kid because I was a huge Steiner mark and actually bought that he might be able to do it. Now I just see too many seams to enjoy it. Plus they botched that ending so badly that it made everyone look terrible. I can't stand seeing guys stand around while the clock is ticking down, those moments should be filled with non-stop pin attempts and power moves.

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  72. You guys sound like an old married couple.

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  73. Awaits CultStatus telling us how the Flair match Is 1 star

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  74. Yeah the few hundred thousand or million they'd save by cutting some dead weight won't have affect on the stock price. They could still do it, but it'd be stupid.

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  75. Wouldn't adultery just be an angle?

    "The Adulterer" sounds like the Handsome Stranger's tag team partner.

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  76. Oh don't worry. That was six months prior with the Junkyard Dog...and one star is extremely generous there.

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  77. Scott Steiner carried him.

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  78. Where did the Heyman's gay thing come from? The guy has a wife and two kids.

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  79. Val Venis? Rick Rude? Edge?

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  80. I thought I remember reading somewhere once that Paul tried to pass off the music as, "ambient noise", and that's how he got away with it for so long.

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  81. Gary The Rock Star's #1 FanMay 16, 2014 at 5:15 PM

    WWE will be dead in 5-10 years. The same ego-driven, power hungry attitude and drive that took this company to the top will bring it to its knees.

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  82. He forced wrestlers to do stupid shit that broke their bodies??? Are we talking about Paul heyman running ECW??? Cause that would make more sense. Paul forgot to pay a lot people for that too, Russo never did that. Its crazy the amount of love and hatred some personalities receive

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  83. This is why companies should never go public. Because there's always going to be some shitstain in a suit that thinks he knows better than the people that have owned the business for decades.

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  84. No its Zach Ryder and Dolph ziggler's fault.

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  85. What if Panda Energy bought WWE?

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  86. I'd laugh so hard. WWE would start drawing 1.1's.

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  87. As long as it isn't Sniskey.

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  88. It's funny what was considered revealing in the early 90s. Now I'm pretty sure people wear that outfit to church.

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  89. As we've talked about before, WWE was honestly overpriced long before this drop... their current price might be slightly low, but it's way more "realistic" based on their prior history and size.

    The only reason it got that high was usual Wall Street BS, and once the BS was done, the stock returned to "normal".

    Also remember, this isn't a "traditional" corporation as relates to the stock breakdown. Stories like the investment company calling for firings or a company selling would be BAD for more "traditional" companies like Coca-Cola, Wal-Mart, etc... but with ALL the real "power" stock in Vince and Friends' hands, there's no way that WWE would even consider bowing to that sort of pressure.

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    Anyone know if the company's cash reserves were mentioned in the last conference call? Because worst case scenario, I could see Vince saying "Fuck it", and buying back the public stock.

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  90. The only thing I can think of is the Madusa angle. I remember at one point in-character he said he'd like to dress her up as a boy or something to that effect.

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  91. The Jaywalker, the Adulterer, Inattentive Driver and Drug Possessor all need to be jobbers on BoD RAW.

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  92. Well some ECW wrestlers did suicidal stuff, but it's not like the WWE as ECW guys could rest up for a week, but even the guys that have broken bodies due to wrestling, like Sabu, made their own decision to wrestle the style they did. I'm pretty sure Heyman didn't talk Sabu to do crazy shit because Sabu would've been happy to do it.

    The thing with Russo is that he wanted wrestlers to do suicidal stuntman bumps and things wrestlers weren't even trained for and under Russo's watch, he's responsible for one death because of his stupid idea (Owen).

    I know wrestlers do get hurt, but under Russo's watch when he was in charge of WWF/WCW back in the day (I can't speak for TNA), injuries were more frequent than normal.

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  93. Yeah that threeway is a real bore.

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  94. "TNA's IPO, plagued by illogical goals and accusations of the company being a creative plagarist, came to a merciful end this afternoon on the AMEX. Currently, TNAE trades at $.03, on rumors that Dixie Carter paid her company cellular bill with a personal credit card."

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  95. WWE should air the Monday conference on video on WWE.com and have it begin with Barrett rising up on his podium.

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  96. This week on BoD Worldwide!


    -A rare visit from Parallax, as he vows to SAVE the Drug Possessor from temptation!
    -Your Favorite Loser versus The Adulterer, in what could become the feud of May 18, 2014!
    -One half of the UnStable are being let out of the institution... hell if we know why... to face the Inattentive Driver and the Jaywalker. Which team will be less able to co-exist: Baker and Dougie or the distracted carman and the rushed footman?


    This Sunday, at 5:35 on TBS! (Show moved back 30 minutes to accommodate the night Braves game that follows Worldwide.)

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  97. Gary The Rock Star's #1 FanMay 16, 2014 at 6:00 PM

    The best thing that will make pro wrestling relevant in the public again is a sex tape involving Stephanie, Dixie, and ODBs cock. Make it happen.

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  98. Needed to work a "bro" in there but very good.

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  99. Oh I get the stock price was overpriced but a 66% drop in two and a half months can't be written off as no big deal.

    Its a bitter pill to swallow for wwe considering where wwe's stock was at just ten weeks ago even if it's just a regression back to the mean for wwe's stock.

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  100. If you type in TNA stock price, You get this: http://m.nasdaq.com/symbol/tna

    It's just a wee bit more than $.03 Lol

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  101. I'm thinking Jim Cornette, but I don't know. I just know it was a very pervasive rumor for years.

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  102. That's why I used TNAE.


    ;)

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  103. I read the Ranger Ross attempted police station bombing thing on the F4W board a couple of years back in a thread about him and his messed up personal life. Can't remember the details, but obviously he didn't succeed.

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  104. Oh, it definitely hurts. But it's one of those "reality checks" that the whole market might be getting in the near future. WWE's not the only "balloon" waiting to pop.

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  105. Didn't see the tnaE part, my bad

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  106. I miss Barrett's rising podium

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  107. No prob. I got a good laugh out of "TNA's" value... that would be the total value of TNAE's stock in 6 months to a year.

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  108. Also, the Freeloaders and the Virgins as the jobber tag teams

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  109. Also the Inattentive Driver would be an awesome name for a finisher.

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  110. I believe you are correct, yes. That's the theory that UFC uses for their shows.

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  111. Does anyone else remember when Russo told Sean Oliver during the filming of his videos for Kayfabe Commentaries (YouShoot, Guest Booker/Timeline maybe...) that "This will be my last pro wrestling related interview?" I made the comment, as a joke, on a YouTube upload of it that went something like this:

    Me: "Hey Vinnie Roo, I'll give you $25,000 to talk about how you created Steve Austin and The Rock."

    Russo: "When and where, bro?"

    Like I said, that comment was a joke. I really had no idea that he would still be whoring himself out, giving wrestling related interviews to everyone who asked. This is probably the fourth one I've come across (I'm not even looking for them) since he made that comment.

    You don't need any more proof of what a fuckwad that guy is, but here it is... free for the taking.

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  112. Or he just really is passionate about it and despite himself can't avoid talking about it. I've known many people like that.

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  113. He took ownership over Kennel in the Cell, the pole matches, the Abyss casket rising, and Arquette being champ. I get he might be denying some stuff but I think saying "he never takes ownership over any bad idea" is false.

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  114. Dusty seducing Ric Flair in the main event? Now that's hard times!

    (It works on so many levels. One of those levels is "making me want to vomit")

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  115. And now I can't stop reinterpreting all of Dusty Rhodes' promos to find the hidden sexual subtext:

    Ric Flair and the Four Horsemen have put him through hard times...

    They beat on him and he tells them to "make it good"

    He has the infamous Deliverance-themed promo where he says "I am the cold blooded sausage maker, Tully Blanchard! And you are the little piggies, and you running around with one big pig, that's right."

    Although I don't know what to make of the promo where Dusty Rhodes promises to use a gorilla to get his revenge on the Koloffs....

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  116. I thought this was generally really good. Russo has made some pretty stupid fucking booking decisions over the years, and I'll never agree with him on Arquette, but at the same time,. the absolute hate directed at him is over the fucking top. And he's done enough stupid things for real, without assholes trying to dump Mae Young's hand or Mantaur or the Titanic sinking on him. He's a guy who booked some shows. Yeah, some of it was shit, but he was also there when the WWF was at its best ever. Everyone has good and bad output. Russo's bad was terrible, but the good was the best time to be a fan.

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  117. Or maybe his response was also a joke? I feel like a web Q&A, with many of the questions coming from Russo fans, is certainly different than your standard shoot interview.


    I know Sean made reference to Russo doing the 1998 WWE Timeline and Russo seemed up for it, so don't be surprised if that comes to fruition.

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  118. It's all Vince Russo's fault. Him and Eric Bischoff.

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  119. Let's be honest, Cornette's hatred stems more from his belief (right or wrong) that Russo's writing style (blowing through angles quick and not letting anything have time to settle) killed the wrestling business, not so much the Attitude Era's physical style.

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  120. Was Sting better train than Owen Hart for descending from the ceiling prior to the first time either guy attempted it? To pin Owen's death on Russo is just silly.


    The high WWF injury rate lasted long after Russo left for WCW. It was mostly an issue with the fact that there was a wrestling war and both companies felt the need to push the limits physically in order to one-up the competition. If you go back and re-watch a lot of the Raw's from 98-01, the ring action is worked at a much quicker pace than it is today. That was just the business in the late 90's.

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  121. "but he was also there when the WWF was at its best ever." Russo was there in 1987?

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  122. You really think that WWE would ever in a million years go through that kind of effort just to get music for some New Jack "matches"?

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  123. The fucking funny thing here is that when WWE announced The Network, the "experts" like Kelvis and Meltzhead all said this was going to make WWE bigger and stronger. The naysayers were told to fuck off, called trolls and morons, and generally shat upon.


    $350 million in one day? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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  124. The individual bands, for all intents and purposes, have fuck-all to say about how their music is licensed for television/film. All of that goes through the labels and the performance rights organizations (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC). Clearing publishing and sync rights is no picnic, and it's not cheap by any means, even if all you want is semi-obscure stuff from bands who haven't even sniffed the charts in a decade-plus.

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  125. Clearing publishing rights (paying the songwriter) and sync rights (permission to put music to television/film) is ludicrously complicated and expensive, even for somewhat obscure music. Knowing "a guy" doesn't really help either; at best that gets you a foot in the door so you can bypass a small amount of red tape.


    Clearing one song for one guy (ie: Punk) is cumbersome enough, and given that the song was used on live TV, pay-per-view, online streaming video *and* DVD/BR media, you can safely assume that "Cult of Personality" was costing WWE something in the high 5, possibly low 6 figures range on an annual basis. Now imagine doing the same for 50-60 guys & gals on the roster, plus an army of old talents to cover legacy media; granted, there's less variety of usage for the latter group, but that doesn't reduce the cost as much as you'd think.


    The *only* thing that makes sense for WWE from a business standpoint is to make their own music and control all the necessary rights in-house, and editing out uncleared music on old media. Keeping the original music intact on old ECW TV shows on the Network would cost a fortune, and for what benefit? A nostalgia kick for old marks like you and I?


    Oh, and rest assured that Living Colour themselves probably only saw a tiny fraction of that licensing money, if they saw anything. Their big kick came from the exposure and the ensuing increased online mp3 sales... that is, from the fans who didn't just pirate the track. If you think the wrestling biz is as sleazy as it gets, try knocking around the music industry for a while. Suddenly VinMac won't seem like such a monster.

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  126. The hilarious part is that Above Envy, the "band" that does the song, isn't even a real band -- it's a production studio that uses no-name session musicians to churn out cookie cutter songs for use in film and TV. If they had gotten the paperwork in order prior to Rose's debut, they absolutely could have done what they did with Bray Wyatt's theme: bought the master and publishing rights outright for a single lump sum, taking full ownership of the song.


    Instead, I'm willing to bet that once someone got word to Above Envy that WWE had used one of their songs without license, the cost of making that deal skyrocketed with Above Envy thinking "Yay, here comes Mr. Corporate Deep Pockets, and they wanna buy our song!" They stupidly price themselves out of a deal, WWE tells them to pound sand, Jim Johnston and CFO$ create a quasi-soundalike in-house, done and done. They'll probably never again get such a great exposure opportunity.

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  127. I'm sure UFC is still, at a minimum, paying the performance rights organizations for a public performance license. They're far too high profile to get away with not doing so.


    I've never watched UFC on home video -- do they keep the entrance themes intact, or dub them out?

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