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Clash Countdown: #19

The SmarK Retro Rant for WCW Clash of the Champions XIX

- Welcome to the first ever Smarks.com EXCLUSIVE Retro Rant, as it was just one of those “hang out and watch wrestling” nights. Wrestleline gets King of the Ring 93 this weekend. This would be Bill Watts’ first Clash, as WCW for some stupid reason wanted to re-establish their relationship with the NWA and decided to host the NWA World tag team title tournament. So this is the first round of matches, with weird arbitrary “seeding” that Ross & Jesse question all night long.  (TOURNAMENTS ARE AWESOME!) 

- Live from Charleston, SC

- Your hosts are JR & Jesse Ventura, with various hangers-on contributing backstage.

- Round One: Dean & Joe Malenko v. Nikita Koloff & Ricky Steamboat.

The Malenkos are representing “Europe” here. No particular country, just Europe. Dean wasn’t “known” at this point. Joe & Steamboat start and do a mat thing. Test of strength, into a pinfall try for Steamboat, into an armdrag. Hiptoss and Joe begs off. Dean in, and he gets armdragged. Koloff comes in with a bearhug, but Joe dropkicks them over on a bodyslam attempt and Dean gets two. Koloff cleans house. Dean gets a dropkick and suplex, which is no-sold by Koloff. Nikita drops Dean on his face and Steamboat works the arm again. Joe in, same story. Joe gets some European uppercuts, however, and the Malenkos double-team to take over. Dean uses an arm & leg submission move, and Joe gets a short-arm clothesline for two. Steamboat facejams Joe despite some serious miscommunication, and hot tags Koloff. Sickle finishes Dean at 9:38. Match never really went anywhere, but it was solid enough an opener. **1/2

- Tom Zenk & Marcus Bagwell v. Ravishing Rick Rude & Stunning Steve Austin.

The world just didn’t get enough Rude & Austin tag matches before the Alliance broke up. Steve is using a Six-Man title instead of the TV title for some reason here. (Because WCW?) Rude kills Bagwell with a clothesline and Austin hammers away on him. Zenk comes in and hold Austin to an impasse. Rude pounds the shit out of him, and gets a dropkick. High suplex gets two. Zenk cradles Austin for two. Bagwell comes in and tries hitting Rude in the abs, but that’s a futile goal, because he’s got ABS OF STEEL, BABY. You’d think people would learn after all those years not to hit Rude in the abs. (That is a spot that is WOEFULLY lacking in today’s product.)  Bagwell hits boot on a blind charge, and the Alliance kicks his ass some more. Rude gets a backdrop suplex, but Bagwell manages to tag Zenk. HE gets killed, too. You get the feeling the heels are just toying with them at this point? Piledriver gets two for Rude, and Austin drops him on the top rope for two. Hot tag Bagwell. Bodypress gets two, but Austin gets a backbreaker for two and the Rude Awakening puts the pretty boys out of their misery at 7:50. Just an absolute slaughter from the opening bell. You’d think Bill Watts was booking or something. *

- Gordy & Williams cut a promo, griping about having to go through the formality of beating their first-round opponents and then having to wait for the Steiners to beat theirs.

- Larry & Jeff O’Day v. The Miracle Violence Connection.

The O’Days are an Australian team, and Larry’s physique makes Verne Gagne look like HHH. Gordy outwrestles Larry and uses a half-crab, then Doc just kicks the hell out of him. Jeff comes in and Doc, looking bored with the rookie kid, unleashes a half-assed version of the backdrop driver. Ye gods. Gordy comes in and Jeff gets a sunset flip for two. Larry tries again and Gordy doesn’t go so easy on the father, hitting a backdrop driver full on and nearly killing the poor guy, in a good way. Oklahoma Stampede, and Larry is O’Dead at 2:35. DUD That’s what they call a “squash” in that there “insider lingo”.

- Sting (in a tuxedo with matching facepaint) is out to basically remind us that he’s wrestling Vader at the Bash 92 PPV.

- Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes v. Bobby Eaton & Arn Anderson.

Windham and Arn start and work off a headlock for a bit. Windham hits knee on a blind charge, but he dropkicks Arn out. The heels regroup and Eaton comes in, as does Dustin. Eaton goes low off a leapfrog, but takes three bionic elbows and a big boot that puts him on the floor. Paul has a fit. Arn comes in and gets pinballed by the faces, so he begs off and confers with Paul E. Paul tells them to go to Plan #2, so Eaton kicks Windham in the head coming off the ropes and we’re in business. Jesse makes sure to praise Paul’s plan. The Alliance cheats like nuts, but Barry manages to tag Dustin. Well-timed cheating ends that rally pretty quickly. Dustin misses a bodypress and splats on the floor, and of course gets a phone to the back while he’s out there. Eaton gets a top rope kneedrop for two. Top rope is allowed because this is NWA rules and not Bill Watts Dumbshit Rules. Arn hits the chinlock, then Eaton bulldogs Rhodes for two. Another one is blocked, false tag to Windham. Arn gets the spinebuster with the ref distracted, and Eaton gets two. Alabama Jam misses, and Dustin comes back with the bulldog for the pin at 10:21. No hot tag? Solid match, as usual with these guys. ***  (Wait, what happened to the Enforcers?  Weird that they’d just switch back to Eaton like that.) 

- Meanwhile, the “Puerto Rican Situation” begins, as the Steiners’ supposed first-round opponents (Miguel Perez & “El Boricua”) have been mysteriously injured in a car wreck in the parking lot, and oddly enough Gordy & Williams are the only witnesses. Gordy re-enacts the injuries suffered. This was pretty funny.

- The Silver Kings v. The Freebirds.

Silver King #1 would be the guy you know as Silver King, and #2 is presumably Dr. Wagner Jr. without his mask, before he moved to Japan and became a big star there. That’s just a guess, though. Big brawl and King #1 dropkicks Hayes, but collides with his own partner. The Birds double-team #1, but #2 comes in and controls Garvin. Senton misses and Garvin gets two. The Kings get a double-team senton and a top rope elbow on Hayes for two. Double leg lariat, but Hayes backdrops #1 and stalls. Birds double-team #1 again, but he tags #2. He dropkicks Hayes as the match totally goes to hell. Even JR starts making excuses, noting that “it’s an unorthodox type of match because of the diversity of styles”. That’d be JR-speak for “It sucks”. Brawl outside and the King hit highspots, but collide on one of them and Hayes cradles #1 for the pin at 6:29. I think someone just told them to go home and get it over with, because this match was dying a quick death before our eyes. ½*  (I’m shocked and appalled that a Freebirds match would go so horribly wrong.) 

- Brian Pillman & Justin Thunder Liger v. Chris Benoit & Beef Wellington.

STAMPEDE REUNION! Benoit & Liger start and Benoit takes him down. Test of strength, Liger takes Benoit down. Liger gets a pair of armdrags, and Benoit misses a dropkick, as does Liger. Pillman & Beef go next, as Beef overpowers him, but Pillman dropkicks him out, dropkicks him off the apron and charges him. Beef counters by slingshotting in with a clothesline. Snap suplex and Beef tosses Pillman, but when he tries to suplex him in, Brian reverses and suplexes Wellington to the floor, where Watts has of course removed the “pretty blue mats”. Back in, Liger comes in and Beef goes to the leg. Benoit lays in the chops and clotheslines him, then gets an enzuigiri. Wellington comes in, but misses a plancha. Back in, Pillman & Liger double-team Beef for a bit, but Pillman gets caught in the Canadian corner. Pillman sidesteps a Benoit charge and sends hm out, however. Back in, they go up top and Pillman gets an INSANE backdrop superplex and follows with a missile dropkick, and Benoit rightly takes a breather. Pillman follows with a tope, and they go all-out with CANADIAN VIOLENCE until the crowd on the floor is going nuts. See, Americans shoot each other, Canadians chop each other. (Sadly, various chop control laws have been enacted as of late, restricting it to chopping ranges and/or life-threatening home defense situations.  Bunch of commies.)  Back in, Beef comes in and goes with Liger. He misses a charge, bails, and Liger follows with a plancha. Back in, Beef blocks a crucifix with a fallaway slam for two. Benoit gets a backdrop suplex, which Liger counters for two. Liger hits a leg lariat, which sends Benoit out, and Liger introduces the world to the Asai Moonsault, and the crowd goes NUTS. Pillman comes in, but gets kicked in the face by Wellington on a rollup attempt. Beef goes up and misses a dropkick. Liger suplexes Beef for two, pier six erupts. Pillman & Benoit just KILL each other with chops on the outside, as you know that they’re loving the chance to work together on national TV. Even JR is in shock at the brutality they’re unleashing on each other. Back in, they try a double noggin knocker, but Beef & Benoit collide, and Liger snaps off a moonsault for the pin at 11:31 to a huge pop and match of the night honors. ****1/4 Of course, EVERYONE IN THE MATCH was completely buried immediately afterwards, but Bill Watts was never a big fan of the little guys. I thought that, at very least, Benoit & Wellington would have earned a job from that performance, but I guess that would have made sense or something.  (I’d think Benoit at least was making way better money in Japan anyway.  Wellington, though, definitely.) 

- The Head Hunters v. Hiroshi Hase & Akira Nogami.

The Hunters are not the big fat black guys, but rather two generic masked guys, who I checked into and discovered to be Arn Anderson & Bob Cook. JR decides to randomly designate the first guy as #2. He avalanches Nogami, but gets hit with an enzuigiri out of nowhere. #1 comes in and hotshots Nogami, but takes a leg lariat. Hase beats on #1 and gets a big kick, and Nogami splashes him off the top, but Hase misses a kneedrop. #2 gets a sideslam for two. Double suplex gets two for the Hunters. Elbowdrop gets two and I’m lost. Hase & Nogami solve my program by finishing them with stereo suplexes at 5:09. Just a squash. ¾*

- Jesse Ventura brings out Ron Simmons for an interview. He wants to be the first black champion, doncha know. Harley Race interrupts and brings Super Invader with him. Race comments that Simmons doesn’t deserve to be in the same ring with a 7-time champion because, and I’m quoting here, “a negro like you used to carry my bags”. Ah, WCW, champion of political correctness. Ron Simmons beats the stuffing out of both the heels. (Wow, that’s…uh…something.) 

- Tony Schiavone brings out Bill Watts, looking for a solution to the Puerto Rican Situation. Seriously, they called it that all night, like it was some sort of diplomatic crisis. Apparently the NWA wants the Steiners v. MVC for the PPV, but Watts thinks that’s bullshit and DEMANDS that the second round starts RIGHT NOW.

- The Steiner Brothers v. The Miracle Violence Connection.

Rick & Gordy start and do some mat wrestling. Gordy works the knee, Rick makes the ropes. Scott comes in, but can’t belly to belly Gordy because he doesn’t appear to be cooperating, either inside or outside the storyline. They end up going to the mat and fighting over a bridge, and again Gordy acts like a dick and keeps shifting his weight down to prevent Scott from finishing the move. Weird. Doc in, and they work on the mat. Everyone trades some words, and then backs off. Rick comes in a release belly to belly and Doc bails. Back in, more words are exchanged and Doc takes him down. They work on the mat again, boring the crowd. Rick finally gets frustrated and goes ground & pound on him, and THAT wakes the crowd up. Doc rips his head off with a clothesline, however, and Gordy adds his own for two. Running clothesline, but Rick suplexes him and Scott comes in. Backdrop for Gordy leads to a butterfly powerbomb, but he airballs on the Frankensteiner and Gordy hooks an STF. Gordy drops Scott on Doc’s knee, and Williams gets a backbreaker for two. Gordy follows with a powerslam and kneebar. Double-shoulderblock gets two. Scott mulekicks Doc, hot tag Rick. He and Gordy slug it out, but the MVC double-team him. Powerslam on Doc, but the ref reveals that he didn’t see that tag after all. Doc clips Scott outside, and back in hits a gorilla slam for two. Big brawl, Scott gets clipped, and Doc falls on top for the pin at 15:00. Really weird, stiff, shootish type of match that turned into a standard power match by the end. *** Williams & Gordy advanced into the semi-finals with that win, beat Steamboat & Koloff there, and beat Windham & Rhodes in the finals on the PPV to win the NWA World tag titles.  (Hey, SPOILER ALERT, jerk!) 

The Bottom Line: Well, for completeness sake you should really follow this show immediately with the Great American Bash 92 PPV to get the entire tournament and the Sting-Vader match they spent the whole show hyping. This show stands up very well on it’s own, however, with a great Stampede tag match and some good stuff from the usual suspects in WCW. In retrospect, hiring Bill Watts and destroying the Dangerous Alliance storyline in exchange for pushing Doc & Gordy proved to be a HUGE mistake, as the dwindling attendance and ratings proved shortly after.

Mildly recommended.

Comments

  1. Wasn't Eaton in and Larry Z out due to the fallout of the War Games match at Wrestle War?

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  2. I don't think the other masked guy was Arn Anderson.

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  3. The promo forming the Dangerous Alliance is on yoo-tube, and I'm pretty sure Paul E. intro'd Eaton as Arn's new partner there. I can't remember the reasoning, though.

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  4. Yeah, Bill Watts was just out of touch at this point.

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  5. Rick & Gordy start and do some mat wrestling. Gordy works the knee, Rick makes the ropes. Scott comes in, but can’t belly to belly Gordy because he doesn't appear to be cooperating, either inside or outside the story line. They end up going to the mat and http://bit.ly/1giOsmK

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  6. More Scott Keith misinformation, which a quick google search back in the day would have answered easily. Silver King is Silver King and his partner is El Texano, not Dr. Wagner Jr.

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  7. TOURNAMENTS ARE AWESOME!

    Speaking of I still think the best way to crown a new champ is to replace the briefcase at MitB next month with the titles. Sure it would eliminate the cash in gimmick for the rest of the year but it would be a really neat way to crown a new champ IMO.

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  8. Severe understatement too

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  9. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:00 PM

    The cash-in gimmick could use a break too, IMO

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  10. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:03 PM

    Was Joe Malenko ever any good? Dean is one of my all-time favorite workers, but I don't remember ever seeing Joe.


    Did Steve Williams EVER get to capitalize on a push? It seems like between injuries and/or leaving for Japan, he was always that guy companies "wanted to push" or "had big plans for".


    Was there ever an Arn Anderson tag team that wasn't good? That dude might be my all-time favorite tag team guy, as much as I love him as a singles worker too.

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  11. True. It's already had two failed cash-ins, which I had no issue with btw. Better to have more suspense but the whole gimmick could stand being dormant for a bit.

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  12. Steve had terrible mic skills and also had a tendency to hurt his opponents.

    Or maybe him being injury prone was later on.

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  13. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    Yeah, I agree. Nothing wrong with failed cash-ins. They probably should have done that much sooner, just to add suspense to the whole thing sooner. I still don't get why they haven't had a guy just sit on the briefcase until Wrestlemania. A guaranteed title shot at Wrestlemania and we're supposed to suspend disbelief that a guy wouldn't just wait to cash-in? Dolph Ziggler the night after WM 29 for example.

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  14. Never saw main event money in the MVC. Didn't then,don't now. Plus it's hilarious that Bill Watts low-balled the Steiner Bros on their new contract offer and they went and signed with Vince while Watt's hand picked successors both walked out soon after too.

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  15. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM

    I think he was a Jim Cornette, Paul Heyman, or Vince McMahon (in WWF '98) away from the complete package, especially back when managers/mouthpieces were more relied-upon. I think he would have been a cool foil for Austin and/or Shamrock in '98/99, if he hadn't gotten hurt. I think you are right about the "hurting opponents" thing too. Guys like Vader or the Steiners could get away with working stiff, but if guys were getting legit hurt, there is probably a fine line where top guys no longer want to work with you.

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  16. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:13 PM

    The Steiners seem like the wrong guys to low-ball too. Willing and able to work in Japan anytime, valuable to Vince McMahon, and still exceptional in the ring (Scott at least).

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  17. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:13 PM

    Sounds right

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  18. They could have been good hands but NOT main eventers.

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  19. Hey, Watts refused to give a bonus for Sting and good thing Sting felt loyalty to WCW to take the pay cut or we'd be looking at a MUCH different 1993 onward for WWF...

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  20. I think it was less out of touch and more the common ignorance of a new guy coming into any situation whether it be a new suit at a business or a new GM of a pro sports team.

    Rather than see the value of what's there they have to have THEIR guy and THEIR talent because they have been convinced that they wouldn't be in this position if the status quo was working.

    In 1992 WCW was recovering well from the disaster that was 1991. The young guys they brought in were starting to hit their stride. Had Watts just went against his normal personality and showed a minute of patience he would have saw a lot to work with there and a lot of talent to draw money with. Nothing wrong with pushing Vader or Gordy/Williams but there was no reason to dump the Alliance over it.

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  21. I was under the impression that Watts just hated the NWA and was pushing them down as much as he could with this tournament and such. Plus, keep in mind, he thought promoting house shows made more sense than a PPV and such.
    Up in the air whether planned or just a mistake in brackets, this is the guy who honestly thought a Coal Miner's Glove match was the right choice for a 1992 PPV main event.

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  22. Rick was pretty damn good in 1992 as well.

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  23. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:18 PM

    1993 would have been an interesting time for Sting to have made the jump to WWF. Warrior and Hogan were gone, Savage was on his way out, Luger was there, Bret was on the rise using the same submission move. Sting on top of the "down period" WWF is an intriguing fantasy scenario.

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  24. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:19 PM

    Yeah, he held his own in that team for sure. He was awful early on and terrible late in his career, but during the Steiners' peak he was very good

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  25. "Brian Pillman & Justin Thunder Liger v. Chris Benoit & Beef Wellington."


    One of these things is not like the others...

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  26. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    I don't recall them being "bad" though. Roma sucked as a Horseman, but there were plenty of decent matches out of that team.

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  27. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:20 PM

    One is named after food?

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  28. This was written before Google was well-known. I'm guessing late '90s? It would've been Yahoo or AltaVista, probably.

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  29. Yeah, I could see Vince deciding not to drop the ball with Sting as champ the way he did with Luger, that guy was just bursting with such charisma, would have been a top seller of merchandise and boosted shows too. What could have been....

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  30. While they never explained just what sort of a connection there is between a miracle and violence, you have to admit, it's a bad-ass name.

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  31. I said it was just a guess and Google wasn't a thing until years after it was written.

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  32. He was brought into the WWF in '98 to be a foil for Steve Austin but then he got knocked the fuck out by Bart Gunn.


    Thank god too cause Dr.Death had nothing in the tank by then,he looked like shit and the only thing he could pull off anymore was a All-Japan kill your opponent for real type match which would probably not be a good idea against an already hurting Stone Cold .

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  33. Only one left alive.

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  34. Damn I didn't even think about that... don't know much about Wellington... I just assumed he sucked in the ring unlike the other 3.

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  35. Had things gone differently early for the Dangerous Alliance, I actually could've seen Dr. Death as a part of that group. He definitely could've been a Heyman guy. Prototype for Brock in many ways.

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  36. Jurassic Powers is still the best gaijin tag name.

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  37. @Scott Keith:disqus probably want to ban this guy it is a bot that has been posting to a few threads with text from the review and a link to his site. Probably using some black hat SEO program like Scrapebox to get hits.

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  38. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:32 PM

    Benoit & Malenko vs. Pillman & Liger would have been infinitely better. Joe Malenko & Beef Wellington can help set up the ring

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  39. Yes, but as seen in the previous Clash rant they had already broken up The Enforcers in favour of Arn & Beautiful Bobby. All well before Wrestlewar.

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  40. I am afraid that Cena is going to walk into Raw in a couple of weeks as champion after a tournament in Rio de Janeiro.

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  41. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:33 PM

    Yeah, the WWF machine would have promoted the hell out of Sting. Same tactics as with Warrior. Sell masks, t-shirts, etc. One of many things the WWF almost always did better than WCW/NWA, even during the down years

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  42. One is not worm food

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  43. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    Yeah, I remember that well. Too bad it wasn't somebody GOOD that knocked Dr. Death's head off. They could have really capitalized....if it wasn't Bart Gunn.

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  44. Is "Beef Wellington" the stupidest wrestling name ever?


    It's certainly in the conversation.

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  45. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM

    AltaVista!!

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  46. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    It's definitely up there toward the top of the list. Justin Credible has to be in that conversation as well. Former ECW world champion, ladies and germs.

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  47. Nope, they'll have a tournament, some guy will win, then Cena will wrestle immediately after and win the belt.

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  48. Beef was a nice guy and good worker, but nowhere near the level of the other Stampede exports.

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  49. Or booking a big PPV (The '92 Bash) without Ron Simmons on it but then booking him to win the world strap 3 weeks later.


    Then to top it off, Ron Simmons new world champs first PPV opponent...The Barbarian.

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  50. If we're doing "Stupidest Because it's Downright Offensive" then you have to include the Final Solution. (circa 1996 WCW)

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  51. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:40 PM

    lol! Yeah, fair point

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  52. RISE ABOVE THE DOWNVOTE!

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  53. Possibly, but he was a comedy wrestler with a ridiculous outfit. I like the guy, he worked for this company I think Quebec called IWS and he had hilarious promos with Generico and Steen

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  54. It's actually BIFF Wellington, he's a former Stampede Guy. Bad typo from Scott.

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  55. To be fair, Vader was injured after winning the belt, they had to get it off him and Watts hoped to turn Simmons into another JYD. But yeah, Barbarian was stupid as a title contender.

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  56. Plus, we'd finally have Sting given proper due on DVD sets, always a reluctance to really spotlight him as he was the one major guy of his era who was never with WWF.

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  57. I've seen it both ways... also Brad Maddox used to go by Beef Wellington as well.

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  58. What was worse? Simmons vs, the Barbarian or Hogan vs. Brutus Beefcake (Starrcade '94 main)

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  59. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM

    LOL! Really? I thought he actually went by "Beef".

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  60. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    Simmons vs. Barbarian, because neither was a draw. Not even a little bit. Hogan vs. Beefcake was at least the biggest star in the business against a guy he had history with. Both were terrible, but I don't think it's even close.

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  61. Firebreaker Chip sounded like the name of the biggest gay porn star of the 80s.

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  62. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:46 PM

    I always hear the "Vader was hurt" thing, but he worked against Nikita at 'Halloween Havoc' '92 anyway. Why not just do Vader vs. Koloff for the belt and have Vader go easy for a bit? If he was hurt, he clearly could still work enough to do the Koloff match at Havoc

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  63. My bad, he's actually called Beef Wellington at this Clash for whatever reason but his proper ring name was Biff. Him and Benoit were former Stampede Tag-Champs.

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  64. Your_Favourite_Buck_NastyMay 20, 2014 at 2:48 PM

    there was an indy wrestler named "beef stew"

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  65. To top off the absurdity. Halloween Havoc '92 did the highest number of buys for WCW between Great American Bash 1990 & Bash At The Beach 1994!!!


    Barbarian = $$$!!!

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  66. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:49 PM

    Classic WCW

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  67. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:50 PM

    General Hugh G. Rection
    Lieutenant Loco
    G.I. Bro


    Take your pick

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  68. I had to Wiki the card. Sting vs. Jake Roberts in the 2nd dumbest match you could have (I'm being generous because it didn't involve Cheatum using a bomb).

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  69. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:52 PM

    Wow, that's crazy. I had no idea. Meng/Haku was clearly holding him back in WCW!!

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  70. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 2:53 PM

    Sting vs. Jake could have been a semi-'dream match' if they did it right. Giving it the worst possible pay-off helped no one

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  71. Yeah, Sting-Jake could've been what Warrior-Jake should've been.

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  72. The MVC were completely the wrong tag team to put over during the Steiners' peak. If it was a bunch of shooty-shooters, maybe, but after watching Rick and Scott toss Vader and Bam Bam around like rag dolls and taking a much bigger pounding, I have a hard time believing a past-their-primes UWF tourney final guys going over them.

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  73. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 3:03 PM

    TJ: I would have been pretty OK with Clubber Lang defending the U.S. against Drago in 'Rocky IV'. Rock should have bowed out with Adrian and let Clubber smoke that fool for 'MERICA

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  74. Yeah. But Bill Watts was running the show, the Steiners were probably bring jobbed out because they wouldn't take less money, and the MVC/Steiners match was pimped heavy in the mark mags at the time.

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  75. Watts added the "no top rope" rule to the disappointment of everyone. Then thr NWA tourney came along and Pillman and Liger were flying all over the place.

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  76. The "champion loses his way and needs his biggest rival to bring him back to glory, so that said rival could get a title match" needs to be done NOW.

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  77. The wheel was gimmicked to Coal Miner's glove, probably because that was the cheapest stip they could run.

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  78. Vader was also at the clash the month before. I don't think he was hurt.

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  79. How much cheaper is it to run a No DQ match? Or (insert city we're in) Death Match? You don't have to pay to have nutshots galore.

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  80. One more thing, what was the point of Hercules being brought in under a mask as Super Invader?


    Was he seen as damaged goods cause he did so many jobs in his final year plus in the WWF after Power & Glory flamed out?

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  81. Kayfabe reasoning was that Paul E. wanted to do a switcheroo just like the baby faces had done with Steamboat replacing Windham.

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  82. You need to make a trip to the hardware store for plunder.

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  83. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    Cena vs. Lesnar should have been exactly that. Rock beats Cena at Mania 28. A noticeably downtrodden Cena gets in over his head and obliterated by Brock Lesnar. The Rock (a former Lesnar rival himself) digs in with Cena, burying the hatchet and 'doing it for the business he loves'. He trains with Cena, helps him get back on track, reminds him "why he does this", and admits that Cena is the hero the WWE Universe deserves (or some heavy-handed bullshit like that). Brock ends Punk's reign somewhere along the way and holds the belt hostage. Rock & Cena enter the 2013 Rumble and clean house. Cena wins it and vanquished Lesnar for the title at Mania 29 (Brock's first loss since returning). Rock congratulates him and Cena is The Man again. Maybe you do Cena-Rock II, maybe you don't.

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  84. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

    Yeah, I don't get it. He was supposed to be the dominant unbeatable monster heel. They take the belt off him because "he's hurt", yet he's working the same shows where Ron Simmons is carrying his belt around? Makes no sense

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  85. Looking forward to the Clash XX review. So much wasted potential, with arguably the most loaded roster ever in WCW history.

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  86. He's a hologram.

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  87. So nobody had a beef with Wellington?

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  88. The Malenkos are representing "Europe" here. No particular country, just Europe. Dean wasn't "known" at this point. Joe & Steamboat start and http://bit.ly/1giOsmK

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  89. Can one of the mods ban this guy?

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  90. What a terribly anthropocentric view.

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  91. That's what Scott Sez is for!

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  92. Billy Jack hadn't been in the WWF for years at that point. I doubt many fans watching WCW would even have remembered or cared.

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  93. Dumbest thing ever.

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  94. Malenkos v. Nikita Koloff & Steamboat = Quebeckers vs Headshrinkers

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  95. Thats what confused me, iv only known him as Biff

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  96. Stranger in the AlpsMay 20, 2014 at 4:04 PM

    In Stampede he was Beef Wellington as a heel, then when he turned face he went by Biff.

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  97. Because what is more heelish than a fillet steak inside a pastry?

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  98. Stranger in the AlpsMay 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

    Someone get this guy in BoD RAW and pull a Marty Jannetty-Charles Austin on him.

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  99. As a kid watching this, I always felt bad for the happy-go-lucky father & son team the O'Days being squashed by the MVC. They came all the way from Australia for that?

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  100. He is already a better jobber than half the guys here, including jobber.

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  101. I'm not sure but even Hercules would have been a better Horseman than Paul Roma.

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  102. Agreed. I didn't get it at all as a kid, and I still don't now.


    The MVC were a solid team, but Watts' treatment of the Steiners was bizarre. I kinda think it would've been neat if Scott had acted on his threats to Watts, since Watts himself had the reputation of being a bully.

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  103. I dunno, I never really got it.

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  104. The top rope rule has to be the dumbest rule change in modern wrestling. So glad it was short-lived.

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  105. I thought they were decent. Roma was a solid tag worker.

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  106. Well they tried to placate Scott with a TV Title reign a few months after this but that didn't work out so well since he walked out of the company while still champ.

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