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Clash Countdown: #23

The SmarK Retro Rant for WCW Clash of the Champions XXIII

- See, now this is why my fans rule. I complain about not having a good copy of something to rant on, and it shows up in my mailbox a couple of weeks after. This is courtesy Kurt Killberg, and it’s much appreciated.

- Live from Norfolk, VA. Original airdate: June 17 1993, according to the PWI Almanac.  (June 16 according to WWE Network.  I don’t get why they keep messing up dates.) 

- Your hosts are Tony Schiavone & Jesse Ventura.

- Opening match: Ron Simmons v. Dick Slater.

This was supposed to be Paul Orndorff defending the TV title against Simmons, but an injury changed it to this match. Ron’s theme music, “Don’t Step To Ron”, brings up unfortunate memories of WCW’s ill-fated “Slam Jam” album, although really it doesn’t address the question of who would WANT to step to Ron and what stepping to him would involve. They exchange shots in the corner to start and Simmons slams him a few times and a shoulderblock gets two, as Dick bails. Back in, they do the test of strength, and really that’s not terribly smart on Slater’s part. Simmons tries a sunset flip, but Slater slaps him to block it, and then Orndorff hooks the leg to trip up Simmons, allowing Slater a cheapshot to take over. Slater slugs him down and gives him some boot leather, and a neckbreaker gets two. Orndorff celebrates, drawing the attention of Slater, but Simmons comes back with a powerslam for the pin at 3:55. Bit of a mess, as this was obviously booked at the last-minute. ½*

- Marcus Bagwell v. Lord Steven Regal.

This was early in the WCW career of Regal, shortly after his rather bland start as a generic British wrestler. A quick repackaging and he was good to go. Regal takes Bagwell down to start and goes for the arm, and they reverse off that for a bit. Tony and Jesse are left in the unenviable position of having to hype the “Search for Cactus Jack” segment upcoming on WCW Saturday Night during this segment. Nice takedown from Regal off the mat, but Bagwell reverses to a hammerlock and works the arm. They slug it out and Bagwell flips him with a wristlock and goes back to the arm. Regal uses a forearm to end that and then clips him, then snapmares him onto the ropes, which is a novel way to hurt the leg. I don’t think the crowd got that strategy exactly. (Well, the crowd bought tickets to WCW in 1993, so they’re kind of stupid to start out.)  Regal keeps working the leg and anklelocks Bagwell, and he taps! Okay, it was 1993 and tapping didn’t mean anything back then, and neither did an anklelock. Bagwell escapes with an enzuigiri, but Regal takes him right down again and destroys the knee. Drop toehold into another anklelock, but Bagwell flips out of it. Bagwell makes the comeback on one leg and backdrops him, into a hiptoss-slam for two. Backslide gets two. Clothesline and the leg seems to be healed, and a rollup gets two, reversed by Regal for the pin at 6:13. Weak finish that had nothing to do with all the leg work, surprisingly well-worked match. **1/2

- Maxx Payne shoots the CONFETTI GUN OF DEATH in Johnny B Badd’s face, triggering a brawl with Tom Zenk. Man, talk about your gathering of people who burned all their bridges. I think Payne v. Zenk would be the rare case where a shoot interview with the two guys would be more interesting than the match.  (Yeah, Daryl Peterson burned the bridge and then basically shot the guy who was sent to sweep up the ashes, metaphorically speaking.  I’m surprised Dolph Ziggler hasn’t released a video of guys doing drugs on a tour bus yet, given all the other bonehead moves he’s made.) 

- NWA World title: Barry Windham v. 2 Cold Scorpio.

This is Michael Buffer’s first appearance as ring announcer for WCW’s title matches. Windham was in quite the zone in 1993, making a comeback before injuries felled him again. (I still feel like he could have been huge leading a blond version of the Four Horsemen with Pillman/Austin and someone else.)  Scorpio dodges him to start and gets a dropkick. Windham tries working the arm, but gets slammed. Windham pounds on him in the corner and gets a corner clothesline, but Scorp takes him down for a half-crab attempt, and Windham bails to avoid it. Back in, Barry goes to the eyes and dodge each others’ punches before Windham kicks him down and goes up for a flying lariat. Barry’s supposed to be the heel but the crowd is nuts for him. Kneedrop and delayed floatover suplex get two. Scorpio misses a dropkick and Windham DDTs him for two. Scorp gets a small package for two. Windham returns fire with a gut wrench suplex for two. Scorpio dropkicks him back, but Barry knocks him down again with a clothesline. Awkward sequence. Barry hotshots him and tosses him, then pounds away on the apron. Scorp slingshots back in with a Thesz Press that gets two, but Windham gets a standing dropkick to end the rally. Samoan drop gets two. Windham slaps him around to get him going again, and Scorpio gets a sunset flip for two, but Windham clotheslines him again. Scorpio comes back with a backdrop suplex, but Windham powers him to the top. Superplex is blocked and Scorpio follows him down with a splash for a hot two. Rana and superkick stagger Windham, and a front rollup get two. Slingshot splash gets two. Scorpio goes up with a missile dropkick for two. Windham tries to dump him, but he slingshots back, and Windham simply punches him in mid-air and finishes with the leaping DDT at 12:51. Slow start, but the near-falls at the end were really good and there was lots of cool state-of-the-art stuff from Scorpio. Wouldn’t be very memorable today or anything. ***1/2

- Sting, British Bulldog & Dustin Rhodes v. Vader, Rick Rude & Sid Vicious.

This was of course building up to the Beach Blast PPV, although lord knows it didn’t draw as many buys as the awesome “bomb on a boat” mini-movie generated. Sting starts with Rude and they fight over a wristlock, as Sting turns it into a headlock and hangs on tight. Rude powers out and into a hammerlock, and slugs Sting into the corner, but gets backdropped. Sting presses him into the arms of Vader & Sid, so they toss Rude back at him. This gives Sting the chance to go after both of them, and then a small package on Rude gets two. Dustin comes in and fires away on Rude, and dodges Vader, which results in Rude getting splashed. Rough night for Ravishing Rick. Next up, Sid tries with Bulldog and gets pinballed in the face corner and slammed by Bulldog, then crotched by Sting while trying to escape. Great stuff. Sid comes back with a boot on Bulldog, but now Dustin comes in again and gets Vader. He kicks the crap out of him in the corner until the REF has to rescue the World champion, and the crowd eats it up. Rhodes gets a sweet vertical suplex on Vader and drops an elbow series to set up a seated clothesline. To the top, but Rude shakes the ropes and he whiffs on an elbow. Vader clobbers him down and goes up for the pump splash, which gets two. Rude comes in as it appears that Dustin is YOUR face in peril. Rude batters the back , into a gourdbuster for two. Rhodes gets his own, but Sid comes in and cuts off any tag. Sid tosses him into the corner a couple of times and TAKES HIM DOWN WITH A HEADLOCK. Oh my GOD! Clothesline gets two. I’m still reeling from this show of technical expertise by Sid. Vader pounds on Dustin and goes up, but gets caught and slammed. Rude cuts off the tag again and tries a tombstone, but Dustin reverses to his own and makes the false tag to Sting. The heels pound on Dustin while the argument ensues, and it’s BONZO GONZO as a result. Sting misses his splash on the floor and hits the railing, and Vader nails Dustin with the briefcase, giving Rude the pin at 10:58. Lots of fun, although the ending was a letdown. ***1/4

- WCW World tag titles: The Hollywood Blonds v. Ric Flair & Arn Anderson.

This is 2/3 falls, and it was basically the Blonds one and only chance at the top of the card. Sadly the buildup for the feud isn’t shown here, because the “Flair for the Old” skit was hilarious. Pillman starts with Arn and mocks Flair as they fight over a lockup. He keeps trying a headlock, and Arn keeps taking him down, so Pillman smacks him around in the corner. Arn fires back and Pillman begs off, then cheats. AA hotshots him, however, and gets his own cheapshots. Oh, this is NASTY. Austin comes in and mocks Anderson, then grabs a headlock, but AA takes him down and Flair comes in. Crowd goes INSANE for that. Flair goes to the eyes and lays in the chops in the corner, backdropping Austin out of there and beating on Pillman for good measure. More chops for Austin and the crowd is loving every second. The Horsemen double-team the Blonds and they’re reeling, as Flair rips at Austin’s face. He finally pokes Flair in the eye to break up the momentum and bails. Back in, Arn works on the arm and gets the hammerlock slam, and Flair drops a knee and hits Pillman on the follow-through. Back to the corner, AA works on the arm again, but Pillman chokes him out with a towel from the apron and Austin chokes him down. More cheating from Pillman behind the ref’s back and the Blonds go to work on Arn, as Pillman comes in and chokes away. They take turns teeing off on Arn and Austin drops knees. The Blonds work him over in the corner and Austin suplexes him, but Arn fights back out of the corner. Austin misses a charge and gets DDT’d while showboating, and it’s hot tag Flair. He comes in from the top onto Pillman and starts chopping, and catches him with an atomic drop. He dumps Austin and slugs away on Pillman in the corner, and finishes Pillman with a flying forearm at 9:38. Buffer screws up and announces Flair & Anderson as the new champions as they fade to the break. Second fall sees Pillman chopping away on Flair in nasty manner, and it’s a Flair Flip, but Ric hits both Blonds on the way by. Austin takes care of him on the floor, however, with a suplex. Pillman adds some chops and rams him into the railing, and Austin adds his own shots, triggering a Flair Flop on the floor. Back in, Austin chops away and Pillman chokes him out behind the ref’s back. Austin brings Flair to the top and gets a superplex for two. He whips Flair around and pounds him into the corner, but Flair plays dirty and chokes back. Austin stomps a mudhole to end that, so Flair chops him away. Pillman comes back in and adds more chops, but Flair returns fire, and they collide for the double KO. Tags on both ends, as Anderson backdrops Austin and boots him down. Spinebuster gets nothing, as Pillman breaks it up and the ref ushers Flair out. They clip Anderson, however, and Austin gets two. Pillman goes to town on the injured knee of Anderson, and the knee gives way on an irish whip. Pillman gets two. Austin keeps on it with a toehold, but Anderson manages to take Austin down and kick away from it. Pillman cuts off the tag and goes to a half-crab, with help from Austin. Pillman keeps stomping the knee, but Anderson gets an enzuigiri. Austin cuts off the ring again, dragging him back to the heel corner, and Pillman rams the knee onto the apron. Pillman comes in and goes up, but lands on Arn’s foot. Hot tag Flair, and he’s a house afire. (House OF Fire!)He tosses Pillman and chops Austin down, into a backdrop suplex and figure-four, but Barry Windham runs in for the DQ at 21:12, which under WWE rules would have changed the titles. Paul Roma makes the save, kicking off the low point in Four Horsemen history. Great match, though, filled with terrific old-school cheating and tag team formula stuff. ****1/4  (Man, that Paul Roma save was SO not what the crowd wanted.) 

The Bottom Line:

This show kind of caught me off guard and pretty much rocked, with only one bad match, the opener, and even that was really short. The rest is ***ish or better, and the main event is pretty much must-see stuff, which makes this an easy recommendation. The Blonds-Horsemen match is on the new Steve Austin DVD, so there ya go.

Highly recommended.

Comments

  1. One thing I've noticed: the generic WCW themes are on the Network, but weren't on some of the DVDs. Still love the Blonds' theme to this day.

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  2. "I still feel like he could have been huge leading a blond version of the Four Horsemen with Pillman/Austin and someone else."


    Sid.

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  3. Much like Back to the Future Part 2 and trying to rationally explain the possibilities of all the time travel and effects, trying to make sense of the WWE and the music rights is just going to result in a massive headache.

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  4. TJ: Champions League finals. anyone else here watching besides me?

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  5. I'd go 3 and half for Blonds/AA and Flair. It's really good but not as epic as it should have been and the finish sucks.

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  6. Pillman was LAYING in his chops all night, they looked nasty. Nasty.

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  7. Barry,Sid & The Blondes as Horseman 2.0 would have been killer at least for a few months before Barry walks & Sid got fired.

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  8. Whoops didn't notice this one. But yeah that's would have been a killer combo but Ole was retired so he assumes the JJ Dillon role and that leaves us with Ric,Arn,Roma and...?


    My vote, Ricky Mother Fucking Steamboat!

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  9. The Four Blondsmen against the The Four Horsemen of Ric, Arn, Sting and....VADER MOTHAFUCKA

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  10. Geez, 2001 Scott; let's use kayfabe names. I should demand the vhs copy of this back for all the Because WCW nonsense.

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  11. Turning Vader face? Nah.

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  12. Are you crazy, bad ass face Vader would have rocked.

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  13. Too early for my tastes plus that really puts a lot of top guys into one program.

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  14. Let's have fun... WHO comes out to make the save for Flair and Anderson?

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  15. Like i said down below...Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat

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  16. I'll go sideways, and link a previous feud in:


    Dustin Rhodes, resuming his feud with Barry. Also, there's enough history to fuel the eventual backstab, but enough "new" to make it not a guarantee.


    (Come on, Dustin giving his dad the Bulldog/Lariat to stay with the new Horsemen...)

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  17. I always thought it was Don't Step ON Ron?

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  18. Kurt Killberg is a great wrestling name.

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  19. Richard HumphreysMay 24, 2014 at 3:17 PM

    "Oh, no.. I've gone cross-eyed." - Austin Powers

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  20. Ric Flair wishes he was Paul Roma

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  21. KILLLLLLLLLLLLLBERG!
    KILLLLLLLLLLLLLBERG!

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  22. He's a Jewish wrestler that baron Von raschke has pushed too far!

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  23. Roma's nothing compared to the poon-hound that is Scotty Riggs.

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  24. Even though I was a total WWF fan at the time, "The Lone Wolf, Barry Windham" was my absolute #1 favorite wrestler at that point. And this match was one my favorites of all time.

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  25. Paul Roma: Horseman. DId Kendall Windham want too much money? (Seriously, Ken would've worked.)

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  26. They kinda tried that in 89 and it really didn't at all. I can understand their decision not to use him.

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  27. well... these guys did, too:
    https://twitter.com/VivaDelRio/status/470318328272408577

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  28. "House of fire"?

    How does one build a house of fire? I don't see a building inspector giving an okay for such a project.

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  29. davidbonzaisaldanamontgomeryMay 24, 2014 at 4:00 PM

    "According to Dave Scherer of PWInsider.com, AJ Lee is not expected to return to the WWE after her wedding to CM Punk."

    I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

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  30. Thing about Tatanka is that they ONLY teased a Luger turn, then swerved us by turning the accuser (though a lot of viewers saw the Tatanka turn coming, I think). Here, BOTH guys were accusing the other--the only "twist" to go with would be neither guy turning. Not saying it's the angle of the century or anything, but I can see the WWF's thought process there.

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  31. Wasn't he doing time for some kind of fraud?

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  32. Even his brother said it was a bad idea on the Horsemen DVD (having Kendall linked to the Horsemen wanna-be stable from 1989).

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  33. ... "barely survivin', it's all giving and some taking..."

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  34. WCW in 1993 just felt so campy. I have an incredibly hard time watching.

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  35. Too bad he chose to enter the MMA business instead

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  36. I agree.

    It needed more Cheetum, the Evil Midget.

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  37. Actually, he did serve time but it was over by 93. He still had the stench of prison on him which is why he wasn't used, I'd bet.

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  38. That's it.

    While I'm at it, I also can't stand WCW from like October 1994 til Superbrawl VI

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  39. I just don't see him coming back.

    He seemed completely miserable at the end, is banged up after years without ever taking painkillers, and was reportedly pissed about the company not telling them about playoffs regarding special events going forward, as are a lot of the top guys.

    If he has money saved and doesn't have to go back, I don't see the reasons why he left chaining enough for him to return.

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  40. I still don't think Roma would have been a bad Horseman if they were heels - probably not as a singles wrestler but as half of the tag team of the group. I thought Power and Glory were badass back in the day.

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  41. Speaking of...next week's Steve Austin shows...VADER TIME!

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  42. I would've been about 10 at the time. I thought Windham was mean.

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  43. Magoonie NOT Teddy BelmontMay 24, 2014 at 4:12 PM

    So I'm going to assume then Punk isn't signing a pre nup?

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  44. It's weird to me how late Orndorff's career continued in at least a semi-relevant fashion.

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  45. It was all over for me once the Watts era/Simmons title run went into full effect. I can't think of anything else in my childhood that was such polar opposites as the adored '91-'92 WCW (where I sat up Christmas eve, crying at the thought of not getting Starrcade '91 tickets) to absolutely loathing everything that took place in '93 to '95. I used to blame Hogan, but looking back on it he only made things worse. My opinion is jaded because in 1993 I switched (back) to WWF and Hogan was all over the place, which depressed the fuck out of me because I was die hard New Generation before the New Generation was even a thing. Seeing Hogan steamroll Bret Hart for top spot turned me off completely and I didn't start watching again until after WMX, by which point Hogan was long gone.

    Looking back on WCW, it's hard to say what exactly turned me off... I guess MikeyMike said it best... it was too campy. The MGM tapings, the absolute lack of detail to the entrance stages (something I was, and still am, a massive mark for) and the focus on talent I hated. The Steiners were gone, Sting wasn't as prominent, Bulldog sucked, I didn't like Flair (him being gone was part of the reason I started liking WCW) and Pillman, a top 3 of mine, being a heel depressed me. Just "bleh" all around.



    I'll always have 1992, though.

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  46. Damn, I was salivating at the thought of that Big E/Rusev feud.

    Seriously... I love it when two wrestlers I loathe get tied up in a program together. I means they can't pollute other careers for a little while.

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  47. I agree, he wasn't that bad. It was just a weak incarnation of the group that never really went anywhere. I'll take Paul Roma over Mongo & Double J any day of the week. Hell i'll come out and say it, he was a better Horsemen than Dean Malenko! Captain Cardboard was the very anti-thesis of charisma and excitement.


    On a related note, man the Horsemen never got a proper send off did they? The 80's group fell apart when Arn,Tully & even JJ left. Then it fell apart again in '91 with the departures of Sid and Ric to the WWF. The '93 group was a bust and never lead anywhere just disappearing after Arn's firing.


    The 95 group could have been something but then Brian Pillman jumped and Mongo & JJ were poor substitutes. At least the Curt Hennig turn gave them a "proper" ending that time. I can't even remember anything about the final group aside from their formation at that great Sept ' 98 Nitro.

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  48. They should force him to take pictures with black people and post them on the internet.

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  49. Roma could've been a poor man's Tully. Cocky asshole, who has athletic talent and has the hot chick on his arm at all times ala Precious.

    Also, a blond "Horsemen" lead by Barry with Pillman and Austin, could've included...Hammer as the silent muscle?

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  50. Mongo was out of shape and had to wrestle in a t-shirt until they threw bleach in his face to write him out. Benoit and Malenko feuded with Hennig and Windham over the tag team titles, when Flair turned heel they turned heel by association, and I think Flair actually turned on Benoit when him and Piper were feuding with the young guys. I don't really remember them all being together on screen all that often to be honest.

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  51. Cena might have been around the same age at the time, I'm sure he thought Barry was poopy.

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  52. Don't you mean suuuuuuuuuperstars?

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  53. Much better than my Hammer idea. Blech.

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  54. Are you implying Maria or Lita is wife material?

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  55. The actual story I just saw on PWInsider says " it's not expected she will return until after he wedding to CM Punk." (and yes, they called AJ "he"). So she will be returning, just not until after their wedding.

    http://www.pwinsider.com/article/85835/aj-lee-update-a-good-look-at-what-wrong-with-the-wwe-stock-another-former-wrestler-joins-the-podcast-world-and-more.html?p=1

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  56. AJ also benefited from the Punk/Bryan/Kane feud. Without that, it was a good chance she just would have been lost in the shuffle

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  57. I agree, Vigilantism should be somewhat legal depending on the crime.

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  58. ROH has heat with Punk over the way they treated Colt Cabana.

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  59. Don't act like I'm not wrong.

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  60. AJ/CM is the most confusing couple in wrestling since Nancy/Chris.

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  61. You mean pushing him more than he deserved?

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  62. I don't think the Michelle Beadle incident helped her and Punk out either.

    Although the fainting thing with Vicki was inexcusable. AJ must have pissed off a lot of WWE officials with how she has been basically made fun of on TV

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  63. I think you misquoted the AJ Lee story. The only one I saw on PWInsider says AJ isn't expected to return until after her wedding to Punk. But she will in fact return.

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  64. I wouldn't say Hulk Hogan was all over '93 WWF. He couldn't have made more than a handful of appearances all year.


    Hell i think he wrestled on more cards for New Japan that year than he did the WWF!


    1993 WCW had Vader,Ravishing Rick Rude,The Hollywood Blondes,Barry Windham,Sid Vicious as it's top heels the WWF had Yokozuna,Shawn Michaels,Razor Ramon,Doink,Giant Gonzales & Ludvig Borga.


    Which one would you choose that year?

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  65. Really, because Scherer reported she is Not expected to return

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  66. No, sacking Colt because he was a comedy act and "funny doesn't equal money." During Cornette's time there.

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  67. His name did pop into my head i won't lie. But i think by '93 even WCW knew he was hopeless.


    At least Sid was over!

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  68. Those people aren't there anymore.

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  69. The only story I'm seeing by Scherer says:

    "For those who have asked about AJ Lee, as mentioned on the site last
    week, *it's not expected she will return until after he wedding to CM
    Punk.* They are scheduled to get married next month."

    Source: http://www.pwinsider.com/article/85835/aj-lee-update-a-good-look-at-what-wrong-with-the-wwe-stock-another-former-wrestler-joins-the-podcast-world-and-more.html?p=1

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  70. I changed it above.

    Thank you for correcting me. I don't want to spread false rumors from those sites. It gives them a bad rep thy do not deserve

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  71. Punk was still bitching on Twitter last year when ROH put out a Colt DVD.

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  72. Her brother is a present day Joe Dallasandro.

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  73. Yep, despite the horrible stuff, I still loved 1993 WCW. Lots of great talent, especially on WCW Saturday night.

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  74. Once he took control of the match, he had an incredible moveset, like 20 suplex variations, it was just incredible to watch. And this coming from a 100% mark kid who usually liked the faces.

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  75. Maria, maybe? Lita... um, no.

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  76. And for my first pick in my fantasy football league, I'll choose Johnson!


    Oh wait. No! It was the wrong Johnson! Ocho Cinco doesn't even play in the U.S. anymore!

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  77. Swagger wears more the Owen Hart/Kurt Angle style with the shorts.


    And besides giants, no one got over with those and certainly not anyone recent.

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  78. Update:

    Well...

    DON'T fuck you, Punk.

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  79. #BlameBayless

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  80. It's alright, Brian. We still like you way more than Meekin. Like... way, way, way, way more.

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  81. It's cool. You're a jam up guy. Nothing like Meekin.

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  82. What's with all of the Meekin hate lately?

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  83. If anyone is interested, here is a playlist of every Clash as they originally aired: http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x32x8l_nitroe_clash-of-the-champions/1#video=x1dyk84

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  84. If it wasn't for Shawn Michaels...Marty Jannetty wouldn't be selling MEAT...from a truck...in Minneapolis.

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  85. No big deal, it was a simple mistake.

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  86. WHILE JOHN CENA...WAS SELLIN' OUT THE WORLD, BROTHER...SAMI ZAYN WAS BUMMIN' GAS TO GET TO HIGH SCHOOL!

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  87. "Like the... Tyrannosaurus Rex in Jurassic Park... when they smell blood they get wild!" -- Tony, during the tag title match, exposes the fact that he CLEARLY did not see Jurassic Park.

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  88. I think Flair/Anderson/Mongo/Benoit/Malenko were great.

    although that might have to do with me at the time only knowing the former Horsemen incarnations (besides Flair/Anderson/Benoit/Pillman) from highlight packages. I guess they were kind of redefining the whole group at that point, taking the focus away from the "flamboyance", partying etc. and putting it more on the "we're the best damn wrestlers around here" - that's why Benoit and Malenko as the silent but dangerous duo worked for me.

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  89. to be fair, it's not that easy. for example: Sting and Bulldog vs. Vader and Sid or Sting vs. Vader sound pretty awesome, right? but the actual buildup with those weird mini movies was pretty weird and depending on ones taste, bad.

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  90. that theme song!

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  91. On a WTF podcast Carrot top said he was asked several times if he wanted to work in wrestling.

    I'm not saying it would be a good thing if he did

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  92. Light it up tonight!

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  93. I dunno, it's not really a new thing. I'm really just a bandwagon jumper. Although the shit column was really dumb.

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  94. People posting for the first time on the blog are shitting all over him.

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  95. Amsterdam_Adam_CurryMay 24, 2014 at 6:14 PM

    You've obviously never been locked up. "Dead" is often the best case scenario.

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  96. I like him I just wish the Twitter/Instagram version of Big E would appear on WWE on a regular basis.

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  97. Sorry i'll watch Sting Vs Vader all day erryday over Yoko nerve pinching some babyface for 10 minutes.


    Plus the White Castle of Fear video is pure gold!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwYh9oX1vTE



    Sting just waltzes in and steals Vader's rats! No wonder Vader hated him so much.

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  98. They were so unmemorable i had to look up how long they were actually active. Sept. '98 - May. '99.


    I remember WCW President Ric Flair and it's hard to forget David Flair as much as i'd like but yeah they didn't do much that's for sure.

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  99. It's weird how so many WCW guys were using the tombstone as a transition move around this time.

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  100. Flair, Arn, Austin and Pillman would have been absolutely bad ass.

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  101. It's still insane to me that guys were making "Ric Flair is old" skits in 1993 and the guy still kept going at high level for another TEN YEARS (and then still kept wrestling for about another 10 at...not such a high level)!!!

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  102. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 24, 2014 at 8:16 PM

    Yeah, he wasn't bad at playing the arrogant chickenshit heel. Could have been a better Horseman if they were heels, I agree

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  103. Those last 18 months or so in WCW weren't pretty, but he definitely got his mojo back in his WWE run, real shame he ruined the greatest retirement in the history of the biz just to go to TNA and bleed over himself.

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  104. The Immortal Hoke OganMay 24, 2014 at 8:17 PM

    Mongo disappeared soon after, so the Horsemen were basically just three dudes. That was an improvement in a lot of ways.

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  105. The man has to eat....$1000 meals.

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  106. Which is another thing that would've made it work: The fans asking "is he in the horsemen because his brother was, or did he earn it?"


    i don't know why people knock Ken. He had some matches with Eric Embry (yes I'm dating myself, shut it) that were damned good. Sure, he wasn't on his brother's level, but neither were several guys that wound up horsemen, and I'm not just talking about Roma.

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  107. On? It's not like he's 5'2".

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  108. Obviously, you build the house first, THEN set it on fire.

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  109. Roma was a better Horseman than MALENKO? GOOD SIR, I SHALL HAVE TO ASK YOU TO STEP OUTSIDE!

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  110. You just cut a better promo than Deano Machino ever did.


    He made Lance Storm look like The Rock.

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  111. If they had given Barry a World title run in 1988 or 1989, he would be remembered right now as one of the biggest legends of the NWA years.

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  112. Flair gets a pin with a flying forearm? What? Like, a Tito-style forearm or one off the top rope?

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  113. Thank you, fan club. I'm trending on the BoD. Michael Cole would be so proud.

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  114. I'd say it was more Terry Taylor style.

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  115. Mongo actually good kinda good and watching him learn and develop was fun.

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  116. If the Samoans had music rights issues Scott's brain would break.

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  117. In all fairness to that aborted stable, Kendall would not had even been the worst Horseman because Butch Reed was going to be in that stable too.

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  118. On the one hand, every stable needs dumb muscle. (Don't point at Arn, he was smart muscle.)


    On the other hand.....BUTCH REED AS A HORSEMAN? I'll take "+10 points for integrating the horseman, -8375893 points for integrating the horsemen with that no-talent hack(saw)" for $1,000, Alex.

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  119. So white.

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