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Clash Countdown: #7

The SmarK Retro Rant for Clash of the Champions VII: Guts & Glory!

- Ah, Jim Herd and his wacky generic names for big shows. God bless him.

- Live from Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

- Your hosts are Jim Ross & Bob Caudle.

- Okay, so your lame theme for this show is that it’s being held on a military base on Flag Day, a pseudo-holiday so insipid that only a greeting card company could have thought of it, and it’s also the 214th birthday of the Army. So we get lots of soundbites of the army doing army stuff. The theme also figures into the booking of one of the matches, and I’ll leave it as an exercise for the reader to guess which one.  (The one with John Cena?) 

- Opening match, World tag team title semi-final: The Fabulous Freebirds v. The Dynamic Dudes.

Alliteration RULES! (You know what else rules?  TOURNAMENTS!)  The deal here is that the Varsity Club had screwed the Road Warriors out of the titles at Clash VI and then retained them through nefarious means at WrestleWar 89, but those means were so nefarious that they were stripped of the titles and this tournament was staged. (You never want to go full nefarious.)  For those of you who actually care about this sort of thing, the Freebirds got a screwy victory over the Road Warriors in the first round while the Dudes beat stiff competition in Jack Victory & Rip Morgan. But wait, there’s shenanigans, as the opening round Freebird team of Hayes & Gordy suddenly becomes the debuting Hayes & Garvin version of the Freebirds here in the second round so that Gordy can become a single again. The Dudes, as always, still suck. (It’s kind of funny that Johnny Ace became an even BIGGER punchline after his retirement.)  Big brawl to start, and the Dudes send the Birds scurrying. Back in, they get a double-cover on them but the ref won’t count anything. The Birds bail and stall, then Hayes and Garvin take turns getting dominated by the babyfaces. The Dudes hit a double-hiptoss and double-elbow on Garvin, but Douglas gets hit with a cheapshot and is pounded by Hayes. Johnny Ace comes in and dodges Hayes, but misses a bodypress and gets dropped on the top rope for two. The Birds dump him and Gordy inflicts some damage on the floor, and Johnny is YOUR Ace-in-peril. I’ve been waiting for years to work that one in. Ace & Garvin collide, and Ace makes the hot tag to Shane. He’s a house of fire, even if he is wearing fruity tights! Sunset flip gets two on Garvin. Double-dropkick puts Hayes out, but he sneaks back in, catches Shane rolling up Garvin, and DDTs him behind the ref’s back for the pin to advance at 7:14. Super heat, but the match was pretty thin. *1/2

- Ranger Ross v. The Terrorist.

As with almost every generic masked bad guy in 1989 (see also: Blackmailer, The and Assassin #2, Russian) Mr. Terrorist is played by Jack Victory. The ass gives him away. Anyway, one wonders why they’d let an admitted terrorist into a military base (I mean, cripes, the guy’s NAME is “Terrorist”), but there he is. (Well, both the show and the rant were well before 9/11.)  And it also raises further questions, like what kind of parents would name their child “Terrorist” to begin with – I mean, isn’t that just ASKING for a life of crime? And what about when his contract expires and he asks for a raise – wouldn’t that violate the USA’s policy of not negotiating with terrorists? (High five!  Anyone?)  Anyway, my mental meanderings are not nearly as surreal as Jim Ross stopping, mid-match mind you, to note that he’d rather be at home “enjoying a Coors Light and having a slice of Domino’s Pizza”. And you think he’s a corporate whore NOW. (HA!  Just wait until his podcast launches, smart guy.  You ain’t heard nothing yet.)  Anyway, Ross squashes our would-be foreign invader and uses the Combat Kick to get the pin at 1:25 and thus make the drunken troops happy. DUD

- Cheaply produced “Iron Man” video hypes the Road Warriors. It’s not even the real version, it’s that dopey knock-off one they were using at the end where they took the riff and repeated it for 3 minutes.  (And I bet WWE cut THAT out of the show too and redubbed it with something even more generic.) 

- Great Muta is out to do a martial arts exhibition with a couple of jobbers, but Gary Hart declares Trent Knight and Mike Justice to be “a couple of gaijin”, in what may be the only known use of that word in the history of televised American wrestling. Muta wants Eddie Gilbert instead, and Gilbert obliges by charging the ring, fireball in hand. He misses, however, and hits Knight with it, and the overwhelming force of the flash paper contacting the air in the vicinity of his face sends him hurtling to the mat in pain. Another promising career ended by the scourge that is nitrocellulose.

- George South & Cougar Jay v. The Ding-Dongs.

And you thought the Ding-Dongs were just a tall tale that young promoters got told about by their mothers at night to keep them from trying out bad gimmicks on decent wrestlers. Nope, they really existed and they debuted on this show. The scary thing is that Ding-Dongs were actually the IMPROVED version of a Jim Herd brainfart. See, Herd’s big idea to spruce up the company in 1989 was to start marketing to children and using some of the cheaper talent to portray wrestlers who would get the kids to come out. So his first plan was to take a couple of jobbers and give them hunchback gimmicks, and have them bring a big bell out to ringside like Quasimodo had in the book. They’d presumably be called the Hunchbacks of Notre Dame University or something equally cerebral. Okay, now here’s the really high-concept part of the plan: Because they’re hunchbacks and have these big humps on their back, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to pin them, because their shoulders could never be on the mat, right? Okay, so this idea actually makes it to the drawing board stage and Herd goes to Ole Anderson to implement it, and they get into a big argument about it, because Ole thought it was total horseshit and they could be beaten in 10 seconds flat by anyone. Herd wanted to know exactly how you could pin them if they were hunchbacks? Ole responded that you didn’t pin them, you pushed them over on their hump and then put them in a spinning toehold until they submitted. So there went that idea before anything could be done with it. But, Herd reasoned, the BELL was a ratings winning idea just waiting to be exploited. So Herd took Joel and Fred Deaton, dressed them in orange bodysuits with little bells taped to their legs, and gave them a big bell for the outside man to ring while the other guy wrestled. And thus the Ding-Dongs were born. I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP. And as everyone except Jim Herd predicted, not 4 seconds after making their initial entrance, the Ding-Dongs were completely booed out of the building. As for me, the burden of having to sit through a Ding-Dongs match was offset by the pleasant surprise of seeing old-time Crockett jobbers Jay & South for the first time in a long while. And by the way, I’d highly recommend tracking down the Ding-Dongs initial appearance on the NWA Power Hour around the same time, because Jim Cornette was the color commentator and he just completely BURIED them for the entire match and bitched about how stupid he felt even covering the match. The actual match here is secondary to the backstory, so suffice it to say that the Ding Dongs squash the jobbers and finish them with a vanilla double-team finisher (flying kneedrop and flying elbow combo) at 3:26, before fading quietly into the long history of stupidity that is WCW. Jim Ross and Bob Caudle basically apologize in-depth to all the fans still watching and bury the whole concept after the match, which almost makes up for him shilling beer and pizza in the second match. Of course, the next month they started having sponsors buying turnbuckles, which led to such lines as “And Luger goes hard to the Coors Light turnbuckle!”, but such is life in Corporate America when you’re owned by Ted Turner. ½* (2014 Scott can’t even touch the Ding Dongs story, so we might as well shut down this rant right now.  Huh huh, I said “touch the Ding Dong.”) 

- World tag team title semi-final: The Midnight Express v. The Samoan Swat Team.

Winner meets the Freebirds in the finals later tonight. Again, for the anal retentives in the audience (is there supposed to be a hyphen in “anal retentive”?) , The Express beat Bob Orton & Butch Reed (the depth of the tag division was kinda shallow at this time) while the SST beat Ranger Ross & Ron Simmons (ditto). The Express are just crazy over as babyfaces, a situation that annoyed Jim Herd to no end because Cornette was not a team player at this point. (Was there a point where he was?) I would be remiss in not pointing out that Paul E. Dangerously is dressed like Sonny Crockett here, except with less hair. (Yeah, well, Don Johnson isn’t lookin so great these days either.)  He’s got pop! (Thank you 2000 Scott.)  Pier-six to start, and the Express dominates. They go through the motions of their usual double-team stuff on Fatu, but Bobby gets caught in the samoan corner and he’s YOUR redneck-in-peril. Fatu’s lariat gets two. Eaton bails and gets suplexed on the floor for his troubles. Back in, Samu gets a hair takedown for two. Blind charge misses, and Eaton gets the hot tag to Lane. Russian legsweep on Fatu gets two, and everyone’s kung-fu fighting. The ref gets bumped, and the Road Warriors run in, demolish the SST, and Lane pins Samu at 6:12 in a finish missed by the crack camera crew. So they show the replay, and play the same botched angle again. The Express were just totally misused for all of 1989. ½*

- Review of the Flair-Funk situation from WrestleWar 89.

- Steve Williams v. Terry Gordy.

Slugfest to start, and Doc clips him. Lariat follows, but he walks into a Gordy lariat. Gordy gets a cross-corner clothesline and they slug it out again, which Doc eventually wins after a LONG punching sequence. Headbutt and they go into a clinch. Gordy suplexes him out of it and pounds away, then hits the chinlock. I always thought someone was missing a great move-naming opportunity by not giving Gordy a submission move called the Gordy-an Knot, but then that could be a bit highbrow for the intended audience anyway. (Their intended audience considered anyone who brushed their teeth more than once a week to be highbrow, I’d say.  I kid, I love the south, you wacky racist right-wing weirdos!  You’re like Alberta without the oil sands money!)  Doc comes back with a slam and Gordy bails. Brawl on the floor and I’m betting on a double-countout, but they head back in and Gordy catches him on the way in. Doc gets a bodypress for two, and Gordy bails again. Back in, Williams hits a forearm that sends Gordy out AGAIN, and indeed this is where the obvious double-countout comes about at 6:28. Okayish power match that was ruined by all the stalling. *1/2  (I wish we would have gotten a definitive Williams v. Gordy slobberknocker for posterity in WCW before all the unpleasantness with Bamm Bamm went down.) 

- Norman the Lunatic v. Mike Justice.

Mr. Justice (no relation to Sid) returns from his ordeal earlier in the night to get squashed (literally) by Norman in 0:42 with a Karachi Krunch. DUD Norman’s initial ring exit, as part of his mental patient gimmick, had him getting strapped into a stretcher by orderlies and carried back to the dressing room that way. I’m shocked Mick Foley never thought of that approach.

- Flyin’ Brian promo video, done to the soothing melodies of Yello’s “Oh Yeah”. And yet he still got over.  (I haven’t checked the Network version, but I bet you $20 that it’s no longer set to that song.) 

- Mike Rotunda & Kevin Sullivan v. The Steiner Brothers.

(Why the hell was I so set on spelling it “Rotunda” at this point?  Typically I’ve always gone with “Rotundo” but for some reason I specifically was spelling it the other way during this series of rants.)  First major appearance for the Steiners as a team here. Scott hits a quick clothesline on Sullivan, but fails to drop an elbow and do pushups. Oh yeah, it’s 1989 and he doesn’t suck yet, I forgot. Scott powerslams Sullivan, and he gets out and lets Rotunda try with Rick. Rick gets a Steinerline and works a headlock. Mike hits a nice backdrop suplex to break it up, but Sullivan can’t take advantage. Scott gets a bodypress on Rotunda for two, but he gets dumped while trying a suplex. Sullivan ups the insanity ante by tossing the stairs right at Scott’s knee…and connecting. YEE-OWCH! Back in for the heel beating, as Scott misses a blind charge and Rotunda dropkicks him. Butterfly suplex gets two. Clothesline puts him down again, but he makes the false tag to Rick. Second try is successful, however. Rick does the Enemy Pummel on Rotunda in the corner and alternates shots on Sullivan, who is standing there as well. That’s a cool spot. Scott comes in again and tries a splash on Rotunda, but hits the knees, and Rotunda suplexes him on a STEEL chair and gets the pin at 8:17. Awesome TV match. ***1/2  (Here’s a weird bit – Mike’s son is basically doing the modern version of Kevin Sullivan’s gimmick now.  Huh.) 

- World TV title: Sting v. Wild Bill Irwin.

Irwin was last seen at Wrestlemania X-7 reprising his role as the Goon. (So there you go, written in 2001.)  Sting blitzes him and dropkicks him into the corner, but Irwin kneelifts him. Sting comes back with a suplex for two, but Irwin gets another kneelift. Sting tries the Stinger splash and misses, but Irwin stalls and Sting manages to hit it on the second try and gets the pin at 3:14. Ugly match. ½*

- Video package of Scott “Gator” Hall poking alligators with sticks to the tune of “When the Going Gets Tough” and doing generic wrestling moves against a jobber. (I’ll bet you another $20 that the music is no longer there.)  Not surprisingly, he DIDN’T get over with this approach. You have to think that whoever the guy who thought “Man, give that guy a bad Scarface accent and slick black hair and he’ll get over” was, he should have been booking the entire promotion.

- Jim Ross interviews Ric Flair at his home, while he’s recuperating from the piledriver on the table Terry Funk gave him. The sunglasses and neckbrace just make Flair look SO cool. Not. Not much of note is said.  (Back in 89 I bought into this hook line and sinker and was fearing for Flair’s safety in the eventual match.) 

- World tag team title match: The Fabulous Freebirds v. The Midnight Express.

Paul E. punks out Cornette right away, taking him out of the equation. The Dynamic Dudes help Cornette back to the dressing room, starting the Express heel turn in motion. Lane dominates Hayes with armdrags, and the Express double-team Garvin for two. Lanezuigiri and double-team elbow get two. Birds stall, what a shock. Finally, Garvin takes over on Eaton with a pair of slams. More stalling. Hayes chokes Eaton out and tosses him. More stalling. Back in, Hayes dumps him. More stalling. Back in, Freebirds hit the chinlock. And some of you wonder why I hate these guys so much. We’ve had maybe 30 seconds of actual wrestling in the first 8 minutes of this thing. Hot tag Lane, and he DDTs Hayes, leading to the pier-six brawl. Hayes bails, and Gordy jumps onto the apron and gets knocked off. Flapjack for Garvin by the Express, but the ref is distracted, Gordy powerbombs Eaton, and Garvin gets the pin and the titles at 9:02. Usual Freebird stall-o-rama here. ½*

- Terry Funk v. Ricky Steamboat.

A big deal is made that Funk is only ranked #10 and thus isn’t deserving of a title shot yet, while Steamboat is #1 and needs to be beaten first. (Maybe he should do like Nick Diaz and go off on a drunken Twitter rant to get a title shot.)  Long lockup to start, and Funk chops away. Steamboat returns fire, and Funk bails. Those were HARD shots, too. Back in, Funk gets a shoulderblock off a criss-cross, but Steamboat dropkicks him out. Slugfest back in, won by Funk. He tosses Steamboat and beats on him on the floor, but Steamboat comes back and introduces Funk to the railing. Back in, Funk absolutely hammers him to take over. Standing neckbreaker gets two. Steamboat comes back, but Funk flattens him with a right to the jaw. Steamboat keeps fighting him off, so Funk bails. Steamboat follows with the FLYING KARATE CHOP OF DEATH, to the floor, and then carries Funk all the way around the ring and slams him on the floor. Back in, Steamboat casually slams him over the top to the floor in a sick bump. Back in, Steamboat runs into a boot and takes a running elbow. Piledriver gets two for Funk. Steamboat comes back again, but the ref is bumped. Steamboat goes flying out and Funk gives him a nasty-looking piledriver on the floor, which amazingly doesn’t put him out. Steamboat fights up to the apron and Funk suplexes him in for 2-7/8. Funk just pounds away on his face in frustration. He actually goes to the top rope, but a splash hits knees. Steamboat hits the flying chop and an enzuigiri, so Funk, in desperation, grabs the microphone and knocks Steamboat silly to draw the DQ at 12:56. I knew this was a good match back in the day, but OH MY GOD. ****1/4 The intensity from Funk was just incredible here. Funk was absolutely on the hot streak of a lifetime in 1989. Funk continues beating Steamboat down, and Lex Luger comes in to make the save…and turns on Steamboat out of jealousy for his #1 contendership. D’oh. (See, now that was one of the few Luger turns that had a motivation which made perfect sense and should have led to an extended super-hot feud with Steamboat.   Instead they had the one great match, Steamboat left, and Luger turned again six months later.)  That beating continues until Sting makes the save for real.

The Bottom Line:

A rather ignored show that actually had some awesome stuff on it, like much of the product put out by WCW in 1989. Okay, sure the Ding-Dongs are on there, but it’s short. Two Freebird matches might be stretching things, though…

Recommended show.

Comments

  1. CM Punk and anyone I suppose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duzwm9GWSN8

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  2. Confession time: I like monsoon/ventura more than monsoon/heenan

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  3. Great match but I needed more doubt about HHH's victory. I'd go ****.

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  4. So they pick a military crowd for the Ding Dongs debut.

    I was about to ask how this company lasted another 12 years but then I remembered Turner's blank checks.

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  5. This was the start of a positive title reign by The Freebirds.


    Their next one was not positive.

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  6. If Daniel Bryan and CM Punk were given the Ding Dongs gimmick, do you think that they could have gotten it over?

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  7. Ross Styles and Lawler for Raw
    Cole JBL and Tazz for Smackdown.

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  8. Turning him into nothing more than a mindless robot.

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  9. Well the wrestling would have been better. But no.

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  10. They should have run more big shows at Southern military bases because the heat here was NUCLEAR.

    Pretty great show. Well worth checking it out.

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  11. Stranger in the AlpsMay 11, 2014 at 10:39 PM

    Look at little Jerry Smaller do his best "they only paid me HOW much?!?"

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  12. The big revelation for me going back and binge-watching these shows has been Mike Rotunda. God he was good. Its a shame he got stuck in the Varsity Club so long, and the worse characters that followed. He & Barry Windham... I think they could have really been used so much better. Really makes me want to try and track down some of their tag matches, see if they were any good.

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  13. Stranger in the AlpsMay 11, 2014 at 10:44 PM

    The Terrorist has nothing on the generic masked guy that I just saw Tommy Dreamer tackle on an episode of ECW.


    Dr. Disaster has a PhD in Fucking Shit Up.

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  14. Sometimes you have to be reminded of the craziness of Turner money. I was bored and flipping through Bischoff's book again and he said that in 1991 he was making 6 figures as a 3rd string announcer. Compare that Drew McIntyre supposedly makes 80k a year in 2014. A guy who works occasional TV (even if he is jobbing), is a former champ of some sort (I think he had the IC belt, maybe US) and works a full schedule of house shows makes about half what a 3rd string announcer in WCW made when controlled for inflation. Is it any wonder WCW died (although ultimately it was a revenue problem that killed them, not a cost problem) and doesn't it suck how screwed 85% of the WWE roster is (particularly with ppv revenue headed south and WWE hemming and hawing over how to replace that money for wrestlers) in 2014?

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  15. I also agree. Heenan could be really funny but it was constant jokes. Ventura could get over an angle better and a serious match better while still nailing the occasional one liner.

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  16. One thing I'm really enjoying about the old WCW ppvs and Clashes is how they treat it all like a real sport. Even though the match blew and the ppv blew it was really cool the way Schiavone and Ross talked up the Luger/Windham match as they put up the cage. They talked about backgrounds, athleticism, tale of the tape, the whole 9 yards. They really put it over as a sport and the two guys as being in a match that matters. Not only was that awesome but it was doubly awesome because they were doing it under bad circumstances and with a match that featured someone who many saw as not championship material (Windham).

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  17. For me the gold standard is Gorilla and Ventura. Other's I've enjoyed would be Ross/Heyman, Vince/Ventura in the 80s, Gorilla/Heenan, Ross/Caudle, and Ross/Schiavone. Also like Styles.


    Worst announcers and pairings: Mark Madden, Don West, Schiavone/Heenan (Heenan simply wasn't getting anyone over, nor the angles in WCW, it wasn't worth the occasional quality one-liner), Schiavone/Zybysko, and a slew of bad 80s wwf announcers such as Mike McGuirk, Pete Doherty, Lord Alfred, Luscious Johny Valiant, Bruno, Antonio Mosca, Tony Garea, and a few more I'm probably forgetting.


    Very worst for me is mid 90s Vince McMahon. Between his inability to call the simplest move, his over the top excitement, his hardon for HBK that bordered on creepy, and his signature "whatamanuever" and "1..2..3, he got him!!! NO!!!"

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  18. "Norman’s initial ring exit, as part of his mental patient gimmick, had him getting strapped into a stretcher by orderlies and carried back to the dressing room that way. I’m shocked Mick Foley never thought of that approach."


    Don't forget that Sabu made this entrance for much of '93-'94, and ended up feuding with Cactus Jack.

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  19. I always got a kick out of the random music changes (and Scott sez jokes regarding them), like for the 1994 Royal Rumble. What on earth did they rip off that need replacement with an even cheesier opening tune?

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  20. I'd bet $20 of Scott's money nothing could get them over.

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  21. Lex turning on Ricky is one of the most underrated heel turns ever.Did he just turn babyface again via positive fan reaction osmosis or did it not happen until after Sting got hurt and Lex had to be elevated to the emergency main event level and do even more jobs to the Nature Boy?

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  22. I think it was "by default because of Sting's injury and no other credible choices to headline a PPV."

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  23. He was absolutely supposed to be a heel well into 1990 but was turned due to Sting's injury.

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  24. I thought his Varsity Club stuff was fine, but then he turned into babyface "Captain Mike" with an anchor stitched onto his ass and running around with a sailor cap. Then he turned into a knock-off of Ted Dibiase. Then an evil I.R.S. accountant (which he got over because... I dunno. Sometimes stuff clicks).

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  25. I still gotta say that Cougar Jay is the worst fucking name in wrestling history. Yes, over Firebreaker Chip

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  26. Makes sense, in fact if Sting doesn't get hurt wouldn't Lex be the perfect opponent for Starrcade'90?


    If Sting wins the title at Wrestlewar like he was supposed to, that also gives him 2 more ppv's to defend his title so you could easily throw in a proper defense against Ric Flair all the while building up to the epic Sting/Luger showdown at the end of the year. No more Black Scorpion, everyone's happy.

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  27. Nothing wrong with Michael Wallstreet. It was pretty much the proto-IRS.

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  28. Yeah he worked a LOT with the R&R Express when he first started out.

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  29. Beaver Cleavage would like to have a word with you.

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  30. MaffewOfBotchamaniaMay 12, 2014 at 3:03 AM

    If I win the lottery, I'm going to put on a wrestling show and have some guy wrestle all of Jack Victory's gimmicks in a gauntlet match. He'll lose as The Terrorist, go to the back and switch his mask, come back out and lose as The Blackmailer and keep on repeating until the crowd just leaves.

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  31. I love your new site!

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  32. I still maintain that Stevie Ray was the main on color. Yaks, and fruit booties aside, he really put over the psychology and took you inside the ring. His rant against Scott James is great.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb_IXV7w5zQ

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  33. Between WCW and the Braves, Turner was just handing money to anyone that wanted it. It's in complete contrast to how CEO's operate in 2014.

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  34. Vince/The Body especially SNME
    Monsoon/The Body
    Heenan/Monsoon
    Love Jim Ross
    Joey Styles gets some love, Heyman too

    Don West was awful....AWFUL
    I never dug Shciavone either
    Bischoff was actually ok

    Cheat Lemon?

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  35. MaffewOfBotchamaniaMay 12, 2014 at 5:08 AM

    IT'S GETTING FIXED TODAY, DAMMIT.

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  36. Probably a happy medium though. A, I think CEOs in 2014 are complete Aholes and are doing their best to return this country to the robber baron era of the late 1800s and early 1900s and B. it is never a good thing to have wrestlers (or any worker) with limited options for employment and limited power to negotiate a salary. The fact that Drew McIntyre is making 80k just shows were the wrestling industry is compared to the past. You'd be hard pressed to find a single wrestler working in the big two in 1999 that made 80k or less. With inflation McIntrye is making 57,890 in 1999 dollars.

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  37. I'd go for Gorilla/Heenan.

    Smackdown needs a refresh on commentary desperately- Matthews and Regal (who is frankly awesome on NXT) would be a decent fit.

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  38. Lita and The Coach, all the way.

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  39. Suckas gots ta know.

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  40. Cole and JBL on RAW, Philips and Regal on Smackdown. I don't really like the three-man booth. And less Vince screaming in the headsets!

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  41. I think a large problem for WCW was the fact that you were pretty much slotted into a spot, and unless you happened to be Eric Bischoff's neighbor, that's where you were gonna stay. I would argue that even the hardest working, honest, person would eventually just say, "Eh, let me collect my checks and go home," knowing it didn't matter how over you get, you weren't going anywhere.

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  42. I'd put McMahon/Crockett on a revived Saturday Morning Slam.

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  43. Don West improved a LOT from the beginning of TNA to the end of his run...

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  44. richard householderMay 12, 2014 at 7:16 AM

    I also liked Caudle, I feel like he's somewhat forgotten these days.

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  45. richard householderMay 12, 2014 at 7:18 AM

    Agreed. He is so boring and stale it's inconceivable that he's still doing it week after week. I mean, it's been nearly 21 years now he's been announcing for WWF/E? Has any other announcer had a stretch lasting that long on the national level?

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  46. richard householderMay 12, 2014 at 7:21 AM

    I have never liked Jim Ross, ever. Am I the only one? I never even saw the appeal even in the Attitude era. Personally, outside of MAYBE the first Hell in a Cell match, I can't think of one match where he added to the experience.

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  47. Scott, you actually said "Touch the Ding Dongs", which sounds like an average Saturday night for Michael Sam's boyfriend.


    (Topical!)

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  48. Assuming it was a mistake, but more for clarification, are you meaning the real first Hell in a Cell (Undertaker vs. HBK) or the one with all the famous Jim Ross calls (Hell in a Cell 2: Undertaker vs. Mankind)?

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  49. 1-2-3 Kid? Yes I know it was part of the angle, but it sounded like a Sesame Street character.

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  50. I can't upvote this idea enough

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  51. Managed by the Count.


    (Vince WISHES he'd have thought of that in the 80's)

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  52. On the other hand, I was more like, we get it. They replace songs. Not that it's a surprise these days. And oddly, I hear that the Iron Man rip off DID make it intact on I forget which show on the Network.

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  53. Nah, Ding Dong School would be more "current" to him. (See how I brought it back to this Clash????)

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  54. AverageJoeEverymanMay 12, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    He's not Denzel, but I could see him as Denzel's friend.

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  55. AverageJoeEverymanMay 12, 2014 at 9:48 AM

    He was trained by the York Foundation and the FBI, no wonder he can work a European style and hits opponents with laptop computers.

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  56. I think your idea would be the only way to do it. Use the promotions as heels in each others territory and just do the bizarro world thing the way Lawler would be a huge heel on WWF TV and then go on USWA like nothing happened.

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  57. A dial-up BBS?

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