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Clash Countdown: #35

The SmarK 24/7 Rant for Clash of the Champions XXXV

- This is one where I thought I had a perfectly good rant done already, but the original is pretty crappy in a lot of ways (no match times combined with being in a bad WCW place at the time) so here's a proper version given that it's on 24/7 right now. This is notable for being the last Clash, as really it's not like the match quality or star power was any better than what we were getting on a weekly basis anyway. What I don't get is why they show this now, when there's not a huge tie-in to the Latino Legends theme, when they could just hold off until Nitro catches up with it in a couple of months. Then you could have the Nitros hyping it, and actually watch the show! What an idea!

- Originally broadcast August 21 1997.

- Live from Nashville, TN.

- Your hosts are Tony, Bobby and Dusty.

 

US title: Jeff Jarrett v. Steve McMichael

Jarrett evades Mongo and slams him to start, and then outsmarts him into a takedown and clips the knee to follow. JJ stops to do some strutting and runs away, once again outsmarting Mongo by jumping him from behind. OK, not exactly a career defining achievement or anything, admittedly. Mongo slugs him down and Jarrett bails yet again, so we take a break in hopes of a commercial making the match not suck. We return with Jarrett sending him into the stairs, and back in for the choking. Debra adds some of her own, and Jarrett gets the sleeper. And Mongo reverses, as Eddie Guerrero runs in and accidentally hits Jarrett with the US title. And Mongo promptly pins him to win the belt at 5:55. This was a major travesty at the time, but really the storyline was building to it and he was just a transitional champion to Curt Hennig anyway, so it's not such a big fat deal in retrospect. Horrible match, though, as Mongo was his usual embarrassment to the sport. 1/2*

Alex Wright joins us to speak German, the language of EVIL. Not exactly a great heel promo.

Cross promotion alert! The Dinner and a Movie guys make jerk chicken.

Raven v. Stevie Richards

This was a weird deal, as it was the debut for both guys in WCW and Richards had gotten out of his ECW deal by faking a career-ending neck injury…only to get fired almost immediately afterwards and go crawling back to Paul Heyman again. (He actually stuck around for a while.  I had condensed the time into “almost immediately” in my mind years after the fact.)  Another weird deal is that Raven's eventual music is dubbed in over the lack of entrance music that originally was here. (Haven’t watched the WWE Network version so I can’t say if that’s still true.  I mean, I could, but I don’t care.)  Their music division is so strange. Raven tosses him immediately and follows with a pescado. Back in, he gets a series of snapmares, but Stevie backslides for two. Raven stomps him down again and tosses him, then follows with a Cactus elbow off the apron. He throws a chair into the ring and delivers the DROP TOEHOLD OF AGONY as the crowd has no clue what to make of either guy. He follows with a bulldog on the chair, but Stevie whips him into the chair in the other corner. Raven basically no-sells it, so Stevie gets a flying forearm and sideslam for two. Steviekick is blocked, but he gets a rollup for two. Raven clotheslines for two. Raven goes low and finishes with the Evenflow DDT at 4:55. The announcers put Raven over huge, and Richards was dead in the water after one match and was gone a few weeks later. (Months.)  Not enough time to mean anything for the first serious meeting between them, especially for a crowd that didn't know who they were and what it meant. Plus it was a total squash for Raven, to boot. *1/2

World TV title: Ultimo Dragon v. Alex Wright

Hey, it's the most boring title feud of 1997, started up here for our pleasure. Wright gets a pair of snapmares to start and they do a stalemate sequence, which leads to Dragon holding a wristlock. Wright stomps him down , but gets put down with a shoulder tackle. Dragon throws chops in the corner and leads into the kick combo to put Wright down. He hits the chinlock and Wright quickly escapes, then reverses a rana into a powerbomb. Backbreaker gets two. He whips Dragon into the corner, into another backbreaker for two. Gut wrench suplex gets two and we take a break. We return with Wright holding a chinlock and referee Mark Curtis pretty clearly passing the time signal to him, as things suddenly pick up again with Wright getting a slam and going up for a flying stomp. And we get the requisite dancing before another chinlock, but Dragon reverses to a sleeper. He switches to a backdrop suplex and dumps Wright, but misses the dive and splats on the floor. Wright stomps him down out there, but Dragon whips him into the railing and follows with the quebrada. Back in, they battle on the top rope and Dragon brings him down with a front suplex into the rollup for two. Handspring is blocked by an elbow from Wright, for two, as things finally pick up. They fight for the suplex and Wright cradles for two, reversed for two, and the german suplex gives Wright the TV title at 10:54. Alex Wright was always one of those guys they wanted to develop into something, but just couldn't figure out how to do it before injuries and a brain tumor and their own incompetence made it impossible. **3/4

World Cruiserweight title: Chris Jericho v. Eddie Guerrero

Guerrero takes him down and trashtalks right away, but Jericho comes back with an armdrag and dropkick, sending Eddie running to hide behind the ref. Jericho presses him off a criss-cross and starts chopping, into a faceplant that has Eddie hiding again. Eddie sneaks in from behind and clubs him down, then follows with a back elbow and slingshot splash. Eddie puts him on top and brings him down with a rana for two, but Jericho reverses the ropewalk into a powerbomb. Jericho follows with a Giant Swing and he's visibly sucking wind. Leg lariat puts Eddie on the apron and Jericho follows with an embarrassing trip on the top rope during his springboard cross body. Then he botches a suplex off the apron, so Eddie takes over again with a superplex for two. Not a good match for Jericho. Jericho tries a powerbomb, but Eddie slips out, so Jericho goes with a german suplex instead for two. They criss-cross into an Eddie sunset flip, and it turns into a pinfall reversal sequence where Eddie is obviously wrestling himself and taking Jericho along with him, ending with Jericho on top for the pin to retain at 6:40. This was pretty awful by Jericho's usual standards. **

Super Calo, Juventud Guerrera, Lizmark Jr. & Hector Garza v. Silver King, Psicosis, Villano IV & Villano V

Calo starts with IV and they trade wristlocks before going into an acrobatics sequence. Calo takes him down with a headscissors, but IV overpowers him. Calo comes back with a backbreaker for two, and it's over to Garza, who misses a blind charge. But then so does Silver King, so they're even. They do another one of those overly choreographed sequences and Garza clotheslines King to the floor, and over to Juvy and Psi. Psicosis kicks him down and elbows him to the floor, and we get King and IV monkey-flipping Lizmark and Garza, but they end up on the floor and the faces start diving at them. And then the heels add their dives for the big trainwreck spot, leaving Calo and Psicosis alone in the ring. Calo tries a top rope rana, but Sonny Onoo holds the leg and Psicosis finishes with a flying legdrop at 4:52. The usual good, meaningless lucha action. ***

Meanwhile, the Dinner and a Movie dorks go nWo. Paul Gilmartin looks like Egon from the Real Ghostbusters cartoon here, I should note. We take a break after Macho Man cuts a promo, and return with the new nWo members left alone to face DDP. This results in Gilmartin taking a Diamond Cutter. Silly but this kind of stuff was a necessary evil.

Ric Flair & Curt Hennig v. Syxx & Konnan

Hennig was crazy over and a perfect fit for the Horsemen, so of course they fucked it up. This was actually the start of the whole thing that led to the Horsemen parody and Hennig's turn and pretty much killed the Horsemen dead once and for all, which I say because the 99 version was barely even a team. Hennig trades wristlocks with Konnan and brings Syxx in, which has Flair all fired up. Syxx slugs him down and chops on him in the corner, but that's not a good idea. He backdrops Flair out of the corner, but gets chopped down and kneedropped for two. Over to the Horsemen corner, where Hennig throws a kneelift and it's back to Konnan again, as Hennig works the arm and they collide. Hennig gets caught in the heel corner, but everyone slugs it out until Hennig "accidentally" tosses Syxx into Flair's knee, giving Konnan two. Perfectplex finishes Konnan at 5:04. Whole lot of nothing here. *1/2

Scott Hall & Randy Savage v. DDP & Lex Luger

Oh god, we have to listen to the Michael Buffer imitation announcer so they can save a couple of bucks. The editing now also carefully avoids showing Buffer so we don't think that he might be announcing, either. (I presume he’s back for the Network version.)  Big Kev announces that Savage will be defending the tag titles tonight as his surrogate, giving Tony another chance to use his new catchphrase: "Verbally binding contract". I haven't seen this match in 11 years and I'm already betting on a DQ finish. Luger and Hall fight over a lockup to start, as Hall gropes him like he's a senior citizen. Ha, there's a reference I haven't done in a while. Luger gets tossed and Nash clotheslines him from behind, and back in the nWo beats on Luger and Savage gets the double axehandle. Over to DDP and he slugs Hall to the floor, but gets tripped up as a result, allowing Savage to put him down from behind. Back to Hall for the blockbuster slam for two. Savage slugs away in the corner, as does Hall, and Savage elbows DDP down for two. Page gets tossed and Savage brings him back in, allowing Hall to get the corner clothesline. Back to Savage and then Hall as they do some good quick tagging, but Page comes back with the discus clothesline on Hall and it's hot tag Luger. Luger whips them into each other and then clotheslines them, leading to the torture rack on Hall before Savage saves. DDP and Luger collide, however, and Luger eats a Diamond Cutter by accident, as Hall falls on top for the pin at 9:53. Well at least it had a clean finish. Pretty solid tag match as well. **1/2

The nWo returns after the commercial to celebrate their 1st birthday party, but they get interrupted by the lights going out and the sound going out. And there's Sting in the rafters with a vulture as we get a voiceover from a kid explaining that it's a battle of good and evil upcoming. And then the lights go back up and the bird is on the top rope while the nWo has to act all freaked out. Frankly I'm surprised they didn't have the bird turn heel and reveal it was an avian swerve all along. And that's the show! This was, shall we say, ridiculously pretentious and overwrought, and we'll leave it there. Look it up on YouTube if you care, I guess. (Or watch it on the Network!)  Kind of funny in terms of symbolism, as the show ends with the Clash logo over the image of the vulture, which proved fitting since the show was cancelled after that.

Well, the final angle was stupid, but sometimes when you push the envelope you get a paper cut, so points for effort at least. The rest was pretty mediocre outside of a bad night for Jericho and the usual night for Mongo McMichael, so I wouldn't break any important plans like washing your hair or organizing your receipts in order to catch it. Watch it, don't, whatever, it's all good.

Comments

  1. Man, am I alone in wanting to see someone bring back the Stump Puller? For some inexplicable reason, I've always loved that move. The sad thing is, I don't know if anyone could pull it off without it looking ridiculous.

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  2. And so the Clash ends not with a bang but the whimper of the NWO dominating all screen time over WCW. Sad as this was a huge deal in its time but frankly, once the Monday Night Wars kicked in, no real need for it anymore. Still, it paved the way for main event TV like "RAW" and "Nitro" so have to respect its place in history.

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  3. Who even pays for that stuff? Honky Tonk Man made one of his only good points about females who had been in wrestling that do the webcam and softcore smut circuit: Either do hardcore porn or don't even bother since that's where the money is.

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  4. Yeah I couldn't tell if that was a little mistake or a joke where he was referring to this 1991/1992 reign haha.

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  5. So when did COTC jump the shark?

    I actually think once you hit 1995 it became sort of meaningless with the monthly PPVs, plus the on-screen product wasn't so great to boot.

    The Flair/Hogan August 1994 COTC made a good swan song for the series really, with it doing the monster numbers for cable TV in those days.

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  6. The audio of the kid's speech was ripped off from the film "the Crow" per Sting's revamped look BTW.

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  7. I thought WrestleMania X7 was just about the best damn PPV I'd ever seen in 2001, but truth be told -- I find WrestleMania 3 the more entertaining WWE show now.



    The overall quality of the wrestling is stronger on X7, but nothing is gonna touch Savage/Steamboat for me. Plus Rock/Austin and the TLC match in particular haven't aged all that well -- Rock/Austin could stand to have 10 minutes shaved off of it and the TLC match is more of a 'greatest hits compilation' of spots from the other TLC matches than anything new or revolutionary.



    Plus Gorilla and Jessie in one of the greatest single show commentaries ever -- so even sitting through a Nikolai Volkoff is moderately enjoyable.

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  8. Clash VI.


    It was only a big deal when it was airing opposite Wrestlemania. It was never must-see-tv again after that point.

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  9. TJ: Does Paul Heyman have an agent?


    If so, would they be the Voice of the Voice of the Voice of the Voiceless?

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  10. Yeah this has got to be a mistake by Scott since he doesn't win the title until what August or September of this coming year. For all of what six days. Still that crowd went NUTS when he won the title. Thinking back on it Luger was way more over from 95-98 than most people give him credit for.

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  11. I think that's called "banter", dude.

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  12. "For someone who hates TNA as much as you, you spend an awfully long time bashing them."

    Well that's what you do with things you hate. If he hated them and spent all his time praising them, then I'd be confused.

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  13. It really bothered me that they didn’t even reference the books that those guys had out at the time, or even the many interviews they did online, of which there were tons and tons. Even without sitting in a room with those guys, it would be easy to get a ton of their own words and perspectives in there.

    There’s definitely a very serious, thousand-page analytical book that could be written about WCW, with a massive bibliography and tons of sources. But would it be worth it? I’d love it, if I won the lottery I’d love to quit my job and go research and write it., but would there be any real market for it? Death of WCW is a fun, easy-to-read book. And I think really that’s the only kind of wrestling book there’s that much of a market for.

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  14. Aye, the next Clash is about two weeks after he lost the title to Hogan.

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  15. Was Hennig really that over? I re-watched the Nitros from this era on Classics on Demand and Hennig was constantly getting audible boos when Flair/Horsemen were trying to woo (HAHA) him. I mean, if the Horsemen were still heels it would have been great but they were mostly babyfaces. Benoit and Mongo were kinda tweeners but Flair and Arn Anderson were over as babyfaces. I'm sure Hennig would have eventually been cheered had he not turned, but it's not like he was getting tons of cheers when he debuted.

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  16. Give credit to Sullivan here cause he was putting Benoit over. If it were me, I would have been burying the shit out of him.

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  17. Raven said Stevie got all pissed about the booking and Raven told him that he was never supposed to get a push. He was only there to be his "job boy bitch".

    And how could you not like the stuff with the dinner and a movie guys? It was harmless fun.

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  18. I thought they stopped being special after Clash X. That was the one where the Horsemen turned on Sting. They still put on nice shows but they seemed to lose all their charm after that.

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  19. Actually this! The downfall of WCW began, when Goldberg won the title on Nitro.


    First: It should have been at a PPV.
    Second: He should be then main eventing ALL the next PPVs and not only two and some midcard things.


    And don't forget: When they brought Russo to WCW, it was in fall of 1999 and the ratings (and buyrates) were already down from 4-5,x in January to 3.x. (Despite the fact that TNA would be more than happy to have 3.x ratings today ;-)

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  20. I'm surprised to see Norton doing a job- even a cheap one. He was VERY well-protected by WCW due to their links to New Japan.

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  21. I don't know. The people inside the business having always only one point of view: Their point of view. They don't see the whole picture because they are only part of it. Especially Bischoff. If you read his "Controversy" book, you will only read about himself, Hogan, Nash the nWo and sometimes a little bit about Goldberg, Sting and Vince Russo but how he writes his story, so was his booking in WCW.

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  22. WOW- Dinner & a Movie. I remember that show, back before Canada dropped TBS and added Peachtree TV or whatever it was. The only good things on TBS were Saved By The Bell re-runs and Captain Planet.

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  23. It's pretty funny the only people TNA puts in it's Hall of Fame are ex-WWE guys or Sting.

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  24. Peachtree TV is what the over the air station of TBS became because AOL-TW did not like the fact TBS (the cable channel) was being shown over the air (for free) in the Georgia area.

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  25. Yeah, I thought that was weird too, but kudos to WCW for actually trying to push Eddie.

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  26. what do you mean "over the air"? I'm not sure about the definitions of TV stations? Both are cable channels, right?

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  27. .i just finished watching the Great American Bash 98 and it's crazy how the nwo era had the same formula for every show: Solid to excellent work in the undercard and then overblown crap in the Main Event.

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  28. Would those guys even talk to Alvarez? Not only does it not help that he's an "internet guy" but he would be essentially asking them how/why did you kill WCW.

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  29. In Georgia, they could get TBS without cable. When it started it was just a simulcast of that channel.

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  30. I put this all down to the way they brought him in, a total mess. He came in as a mystery partner for face DDP, then walked out on him. He was asked if he was nWo or not, and he would neither confirm nor deny it. Fans didn't know how to react to him, and quickly just gave up and mildly booed him. He wouldn't even properly commit to being a Horsemen for weeks and weeks. Why would anyone like him?

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  31. This was a more subtle burying. Sticking Benoit in a YEAR long feud with Sullivan and the Dungeon of Doom was of no help to him, no matter how many wins he got. And he even jobbed to Meng at Slamboree 97.

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  32. We aren't allowed to shoot the shit with friends properly in 2014.

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  33. It was August. He won the title the Monday Nitro before Road/Hog/Biker's Wild and then lost it at the PPV.

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  34. Was there a more boring yet truly talented wrestler than Ultimo Dragon? Guy was death in the charisma department but man could he bring it in the ring.

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  35. I'd say it was a case of him being stuck in neutral than being buried. You are right about the feud going on way too long though.

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  36. It also has in my opinion a unique, 'edgy' feel that no WM before or since (with the POSSIBLE exception of the very first), has. Everyone seems aware from every last wrestler to the guy furthest away in the crowd, that this is an important, special night.

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  37. Tbs was a local channel first, and if you lived in Atlanta you could get the channel with an antenna (how you watched TV before cable,..). I had a friend who lived in Georgia and as late as 2002 he was able to get Tbs with an antenna.

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  38. I did like the War Games NWO continuity. In 1996, It was originally supposed to be the Horsemen, but storyline wise, they decided to go for the Super team instead (with Sting/Luger subbing for Benoit/Mongo), and it ended up backfiring, so maybe it should have just been the Horsemen.

    in 1997, Due to this Luger/DDP mix-up at the clash, WCW decided "We'll just put the Horsemen in there". Hennig turns, and they lose again, so they were like "Maybe we should have gone for the Super team this time".

    No idea if this was intentional, but if so, not bad at all.

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  39. That six man match is one of my personal favorite bouts ever. I lost my shit at the Super frankensteiner.

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  40. Probably 94. Either the Sting/Flaif or Hogan/Flair shows that year.

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  41. Eurgh, 'gotten'. Grammatically correct in your country but still, eww.


    There's yer next target!

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  42. Great recap, reading it has made me want to watch the show later! Some credit also to TNA for that.

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  43. A 12 year old company having a Hall of Fame seems totally ridiculous and absurd in the first place.

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  44. Grudge against Alvarez > Friendship with RD I'd guess.

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  45. Well said, good sir.

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  46. Brawler's probably had a lot of spill to scoop inside thanks to Pat.


    FTFY.

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  47. Alleged Main Event needs to make a comeback for TNA recaps.

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  48. I was kind of a mark for him as a 12 year old. The dragon sleeper is a neat move. Agreed about him being just kind of "there" though.

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  49. I figured he was mostly protected just by donning the nWo t-shirt. Even their B Team hardly ever did any jobs.

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  50. The only thing of note I remember from this show was Savage when he said "HAPPY BIRRRTHDAY nWo

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  51. At least they wouldn't need an actress to play Hogan's ugly wife.

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  52. That was awesome, I actually understand their reasoning behind it.

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  53. I always thought that they should've done the Hogan/Goldberg match on that July Nitro, but have it end with a screwjob that allows Goldberg to win by countout or DQ. Goldberg refuses to count that in his streak as a victory and demands a rematch, but Hogan keeps ducking him (they could've used Hogan's celebrity matches at Bash at the Beach and Road Wild and the Warrior rematch at Halloween Havoc as examples of him ducking Goldberg). He has to run through the nWo and doesn't get a title shot until winning World War 3. Faces Hogan at Starrcade when he is 174-0 and, unlike Sting the year before, completely demolishes Hogan and wins the belt at 175-0.


    All of 1999 would be Goldberg running through various big name challengers as long as the formula still worked. They could still bring in guys like Sid and Mike Awesome as challengers. Fans would've kept buying into it.

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  54. Two biggest storyline mistakes WCW made that lost them millions in potential revenue:
    1) The Hogan/Sting debacle at Starrcade 1997
    2) The mishandling of the Goldberg title win and reign July-December 1998

    Instead we got nWo rehash over and over and over again.

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  55. exactly. they book him like a Bret Hart or Chris Benoit (= the champion but not THE guy) when they should have booked him like Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin (= THE guy and the focus of the show).

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  56. didn't DDP even acknowledge it later that him and Goldberg went out there with the intention to "outshine" Hogan vs. Warrior (which got a lot more hype than Goldberg vs. DDP) and proving they are the "rightful" main event?

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  57. I think his win was fine and a great moment. I know the argument about saving it for PPV but I think they could have had a rematch with a stip and still drew huge money. Having it on Nitro in the Georgia Dome was pretty great.

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  58. the same also can be said for the Authority/Bryan storyline this year. a lot of the segments were designed to tick a "smark-nerve" (b+ player etc.), but they also worked from a kayfabe perspective.

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  59. I'm not so much anti-the Nitro victory, it's that once he won there were no plans with him. He only main evented 2 PPVs as champion (Halloween Havoc vs. DDP and Starrcade vs. Nash), and his Havoc match was clearly treated as second-class compared to Hogan-Warrior. He also wasn't on the card for 2 other PPVs (Fall Brawl and World War 3). He pretty much had no significant feuds during his five-month reign until the final month against Hall/Nash.

    Goldberg was legitimately the biggest babyface WCW ever built and they never capitalized on the HUGE reaction to his title win. He could have carried their PPV business for well over a year facing big name after big name.

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  60. I never liked him. Was never a fan of the Japanese style anyway, but I found so much of his offense goofy and gimmicky.

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  61. no, you're right. that triple threat was in 2000.

    but Buff Bagwell and Scotty Riggs had already been seen talking about the "finish" of their match in 1999. and Bagwell also did a "shoot" promo in which he claimed he was following no orders, especially not the ones by the guys "writing this crap".

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  62. all you need to know about Bischoff and how he sees himself is that part where he still defends his decision to unmask Rey Mysterio to make him "more marketable" (all while the WWE had probably made millions in selling the masks between 2002 and 2007 - the year the book came out).

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  63. 100%. He needed to be the focus of the shows because fans were going nuts for his matches (not to mention buying tons of Goldberg merch). Instead, it was still the Hogan show, from July's Hogan vs. NBA guys, August's Hogan vs. Leno, and September-October's Hogan vs. Warrior.

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  64. "(I presume he’s back for the Network version.) "

    I would presume this as well, because he was on the '08 Rumble when I watched it yesterday. I didn't even know he'd done that, but Michael Buffer introducing Taker and Shawn at 1 and 2 was kinda cool.

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  65. Didn't Russo take off his disguise recently and reveal that he'd been Dixie Carter all along?

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  66. "Aries hits some discus forearms and the corner dropkick but walks into the piledriver to retain Eric's title at 12:10."

    Douchebag writer nitpick, but this sentence makes it sound like Aries retained Young's title.

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  67. The level of intellect with which he explored Crush's career was mind blowing. Now I want to see Malcom Gladwell discuss Smash.

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  68. I don't know, I've been at my current job for only a few months and I've already started a Hall of Fame for my office. Congrats to the first 2014 nominee, the pair of left-handed scissors I found in a random drawer!

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  69. Agreed 100%

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  70. Yep, I look forward to watching this on the Network in 2016. Sounds like a good show.

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  71. H... B... K, THE HHEEAARRRTTTT... BBREEEAKKK... KKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!

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  72. The Immortal Hoke OganJune 16, 2014 at 7:52 AM

    My problem is this: they have a terrible outdoor PPV in August where they make zero dollars on gate. They are able to book (and sell out) the Georgia Dome for a TV show that draws zero PPV dollars. Why not book the GDome for a big summer PPV event and run the shitty Sturgis show as "special" Nitro?

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  73. The Immortal Hoke OganJune 16, 2014 at 7:53 AM

    Yep. He was treated as an also-ran, while WWF put the whole machine behind Stone Cold. That was the difference. Even on bad WWF ppvs, they had their top guy as the focal point. WCW put the belt on Goldberg and he was never really the headliner on PPVs

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  74. Absolutely.

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  75. richard householderJune 16, 2014 at 7:57 AM

    Ghana better do the JOB today.

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  76. Bingo. As I wrote on another thread, it was still the Hogan show after Goldberg won the belt, from July's Hogan vs. NBA guys, August's
    Hogan vs. Leno, September-October's Hogan vs. Warrior, and
    November-December's "Hogan is running for President!" bullshit. Goldberg didn't even main event Nitro half the time either.

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  77. Dragon Sleeper is still one of my favorite submissions

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  78. The Dinner and a Movie guys going heel is one of the lamest things ever with them looking ultra-90's and like dorky dads trying to be cool.

    With that said, I do miss that show.

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  79. Wargames 1997--As a Flair fan, I was pissed. As a former North Carolinian I was truly pissed. As an old school NWA fan I knew they had just killed Winston-Salem.

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  80. Heh. I dunno, I really can't decide on who would win there. I don't know enough about Ghana's side or for that matter Nigeria's. I have some odd mental block for remembering the quality of different African national teams!


    For shits and giggles, I hope USA win and progress to the next round.


    The match I'm most looking forward to is in an hour, Germany and Portugal. If they're both playing at their best, it will be one of the absolute finest matches of the tournament - take note, idle viewers!

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  81. I agree with a lot of that but what exactly is a lost classic about Honky Tonk vs Jake? It's mostly Honky walking around and selling punches. Yes, it was an important win for his character that set him up for his IC run but that doesn't make it a classic match (or even "segment")

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  82. WCW had JUST began to be aired in the UK, for maybe a year, when that angle started. I had absolutely no idea who Cactus Jack was, but I got to see I think the whole angle.


    For years after, I used to ask people here about it, but nobody else had seen it. THANK THE GODS for the internet.

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  83. I also find it amazing that that after losing the title in December 1998, he NEVER held it again. Jarrett, Booker, Russo, Nash, Savage, Flair, Steiner, Sting, Hogan, DDP, Benoit, Sid, Arquette.... But they never thought hey MAYBE we'll give our number 1 guy the title again.

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  84. He does in fact, and the guy rarely gives interviews, but I have a recording of his that I'm willing to sell to the highest bidder.


    So I'm the Voice of the voice of the voice of the voice of the voice of the voiceless.

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  85. It was uttered a lot of times. Vince said it a number of times, the announcers said it, Cena didn't only drop it in his debut, but also rapped it on his way to the Royal Rumble. Seriously, that phrase was on TV constantly. I did a google search and found a message board thread from 2002:

    "Am I the only person around
    these here parts that is sorta getting sick of the phrase Ruthless
    Aggression being spewed about every 36.7 seconds?"

    "I'd have to say that this
    ruthless aggression shit is getting really, really old- it's just a
    generic catchphrase that they apply to anything they please, and thereby
    render it completely meaningless, not to mention really goddamn
    obnoxious. I say kill it now."

    "I think they're slowly
    dropping it by using it less and less on each show. But then again it
    maybe that I've heard it so damn many times my brain dosen't register it
    anymore."

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  86. Jef Vinson (RIP OfficerFarva)June 16, 2014 at 9:14 AM

    If it makes you feel better, Benoit DID end up getting buried.

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  87. Well, they did that stupid "Goldberg beats Sting in an impromptu unsanctioned match for the belt" at Halloween Havoc 1999 that led to the 32 man tournament, which means yet ANOTHER potentially huge match involving Goldberg was completely wasted without anyone making a dime off it.

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  88. kbwrestlingreviewsJune 16, 2014 at 9:16 AM

    From across the pond or down under?

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  89. All hail Russo, wrestling genius.

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  90. It just looks too goofy IMO.

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  91. Jericho wanted to do a match with him on a PPV and get his ass kicked badly. However, Goldberg or the higher ups said no because of a bs excuse.

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  92. Hmm yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Was that actually for the title? They probably never really explained it properly.

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  93. Ah, Wiki says "Sting is stripped of the title after losing a non sanctioned match against Goldberg and attacking referee Charles Robinson at Halloween Havoc.[56]"

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  94. I was and always will be a super Luger mark. The guy was one of the only true effective babyfaces for WCW during the nWo run. It's a shame he didn't get a longer run with the belt, but I understand why. Also pissed about his awful, nonsensical heel turn in '98. That was basically the end of his career because he never regained relevance again after that point.

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  95. As much as I love Jericho, he was a mid-card comedy act at the time. I would've loved to see a Jericho-Goldberg Nitro match, but Goldberg really needed to face somebody on the top level. Instead his PPV defenses were against Curt Hennig, DDP, and a battle royal while Hogan got to stink up the main event.

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  96. They could have done it on Nitro. Goldberg being an ass and not wanting to do "comedy" irritated the hell out of me.

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  97. Yup, I agree. It would've made a great Nitro main event. Just imagine the lines Jericho would've fed Buffer to say about him.

    But the Jericho situation is like 7th or 8th on the list of "Stupid Things WCW Did During Goldberg's Title Reign". That's how botched the ENTIRE reign was.

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  98. It was easily one of the most satisfying for me to watch, but then again it's the only time my favorite wrestler has ended the show with the belt (Savage at 4 was close, but I was still claiming Roberts as my favorite).

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  99. With the best gag ever where the commentators try to assure us Steiner is following the script.

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  100. Me? Across the pond. I wake every day to a breakfast of tea and scones and spend my day over-boiling vegetables and jumping into chalk drawings on the pavement.

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  101. I do wonder if Tony even knew Mark Curtis' real name at that time or just couldn't connect the dots.

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  102. Worse than WCW bringing in Jacques and Pierre as The Amazing French Canadians... WWF signing them away and calling them the Quebecers, except instead of the awesome Mountie attire they wore ugly weekend jobber powder blue singlets.

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  103. I thought it was great. They only look like dads because every dude looked like a dad in the late 90's.

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  104. HOLY SHIT WCW '97 was so loaded it was unnatural. Flair and the Four Horsemen, Sting, Luger, DDP, Harlem Heat, Steiners, Jericho, Goldberg, Giant, even legendary guys like Heenan, Dusty, and Zybysko were relevant.
    All the top Luchadores and Intnational talent Ultimo Dragon, Konnan, Eddie Guerrero, Mysterio, Juvy. The ECW influx had bugun with Raven and Richards.
    And of course the NWO with Hogan, Savage, Nash, Syxx and Hall.
    I'm sure I'm missing mad names but off the top of my head, this roster is criminally stacked. Shame on you WCW for folding. You had a prime time gig, ridiculous financial backing and every god damn wrestler in the world, basically.

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  105. You're sitting on your opponent's neck. Pulling the leg up is just salt in the wound.

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  106. The only person reviewing those at this point is our own Tommy Hall.

    Whatever happened to Michael Bradley anyway? Did he die awhile back or something?

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  107. Only WCW would name a segment "The Pep Boys Power Pin Of The Week" and then stupidly show a submission instead of say a pinfall.

    That's like having a segment called the Slam Of The Week and then show somebody running in for a DQ. Why did WWE stop doing those segments anyway?

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  108. Virgil only does jobs if you buy his "limited edition" 8x10 brother!

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  109. http://officialfan.proboards.com/thread/491403/russo-ize-classic-match-angle ...had to dig this FAN thread up.

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  110. IT WAS ME ALL ALONG...NO ONE

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  111. "What's wrong with a cock in the ring?"

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  112. 100% agreed. I hated that crap so much. We all know it's fake. We don't need yo be reminded every four minutes.

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  113. Kinda like Monster's Brawl starring Kevin Nash and Jimmy Hart?

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  114. Frogsplashing balloons.

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  115. And rename it, "The Reacharound"?

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  116. They would be a compilation of epic matches. And if collected on an official WWE DVD, they'd be edited down and constantly interrupted by Dolph Ziggler and Kofi Kingston saying how historic the match was.

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  117. Ok, that was funny.

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  118. Yeah, TNA does like their matches short.

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  119. I was at this show there were a LOT of pissed off fans. For weeks leading up to the show WCW programming advertised both Flair and Hogan at the event and neither one of them made an appearance.

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  120. Has any regular mania main event wrestler had more dull matches than hhh? I mean, XX was great, 22 was okay, but 2000, 18, 21, 25.were all so bleh.

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  121. kbwrestlingreviewsJune 16, 2014 at 3:01 PM

    I'll be back over there this fall. The changes in speech do take some time to get used to.

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  122. Whether it's in pain or orgasmic ecstasy, a tap out is still a tap out!

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  123. You mean the Taker Care of Business?

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  124. Hold that 10 for Johnny B. BadJune 16, 2014 at 5:14 PM

    Commentary plays such a huge part in shows for me. Back when Punk was on Raw, I used to sit through every segment with a grin on my face-it was fun television. I swear, one solid commentary team makes every single thing better in spades: imagine the Austin run with Taz & Tenay calling things: is this a show you want to watch? (Btw, since that's a knock, I want to note that Tenay as WCW's cruiser weight guy was a legit treat back in the day. He brought stakes & levity. Two things I kind of miss these days.

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  125. Hey, whatever works for you. I'll admit that the last few Manias haven't left me feeling much of anything, really.

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  126. Hold that 10 for Johnny B. BadJune 16, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    This is going to be weird: I think tons of stuff stands out, but I still agree with you on a certain level- the looming build to another ppv kind of prevents things from simmering to a certain extent. There can be remindes in how they follow up. I'd argue the Cena-Shawn London rematch made the WM bout weightier, in the same way the Cena-Rock Raw challenge marked the WM27 main event in a way it otherwise may not have been. I think the fact that Taker took on Shawn & HHH in 4 consecutive WMs makes that whole series all the more legendary (with the perfect 4 year blow-off no less-inside a cell with all 3 parties involved).

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  127. Hold that 10 for Johnny B. BadJune 16, 2014 at 5:32 PM

    But also...do they "feel" as big as Hogan-Warrior or Hogan-Savage? Very rarely I'd say.

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  128. What no love for Alice Cooper and Jake beating up Jimmy Hart with the snake? No love for Jesse saying Elvis suit? No love for Jake attacking before the bell while Honky still has on Elvis suit. Or Jake almost taking Honky 'a head off with the guitar after the match. Or Honky grabbing the ropes to win? It is a fun little match on the first major super card ever.

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  129. Agreed.

    And yeah, I liked Tenay a lot in WCW. He was perfect for that kind of backstory and play by play role.



    That whole dynamic was cool too from a 'making things seem legitimate' perspective, bringing him in for the lucha and cruiser matches as the outside expertise. Stuff like that really gets away from the image of wrestling being small minded and culture-less too, Vince would just insist on calling everything a 'maneuver'.

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  130. The Immortal Hoke OganJune 18, 2014 at 11:12 AM

    I agree. I find it nearly impossible to watch old WCW stuff because of how much I hated Schiavone, Tenay, and Marshall

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  131. The Immortal Hoke OganJune 18, 2014 at 11:16 AM

    Yeah for sure. I was on hiatus from wrestling from about 1993 to late 1997, in terms of actually watching a big PPV. WM14 felt like something totally different and special.

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