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Saturday Night’s Main Event Countdown: #9

The SmarK Retro Rant for Saturday Night's Main Event #9 - January 1987

- Taped from Hartford, CT.

- Your hosts are Vince McMahon & Jesse Ventura.

- Opening match, WWF title: Hulk Hogan v. Paul Orndorff.

I've seen this a million times, so I'll just grab the review from a previous Coliseum Video rant.  (Very Brock Lesnar-ish of me.) By this point, Orndorff had lost to Hogan so many times that they needed to give it a rest for about 6 months anyway. This is from SNME, and it has a rather famous finish. Paul attacks right away, and whips him with the belt, but can't get out the door. Boogie-Woogie Elbows and again he can't get out. Paul keeps dropping elbows and climbs, but Hogan grabs the hair to stop him, leading Jesse Ventura into one of his funniest lines ever: "Hogan would not be the champion if Mr. Wonderful was bald!" Back in the cage, Hogan chokes him out with the headband and climbs, but Orndorff pulls him down. More choking. They fight for the door, and Hogan comes back. Hogan slugs him down, but Danny Davis locks the door. Vince is aghast. Jesse has a more reasoned perspective on it: "Well, what do you want, the door left open all the time?" (A motivated Jesse Ventura was just awesome.)  Orndorff goes low and drops an elbow, and both guys crawl for the cage and ram each other into it. Both guys climb opposite sides of the cage.and exit at the same time. Joey Marella says Hogan wins, Davis says Orndroff wins, and I think that since Davis is still alive his opinion should count. (Too soon.)  Sadly, the match MUST CONTINUE. So back in we go, and Orndorff drops an elbow from the top. He keeps on him with kneedrops, a short-arm clothesline and a fistdrop, but it's Hulk up time. Hogan unleashes some chops and sends Paul to the cage a few times, drawing blood. Legdrop and after the requisite beating up of the helpless manager, Hogan exits, stage left, to win at 12:44. Pretty good for a WWF cage match, and the simultaneous exit finish was definitely the talk around the water fountain the next day in school, at least at my school. (In all fairness, I hung out with a bunch of nerds.)  They go over the replays afterwards, where Jesse insists that Orndorff won because "Hogan's knees were bent and Orndorff's were straight", which I don't get at all. (I’ve had it explained to me before and my eyes still glaze over like I’m John McClane doing the water bottle puzzle in Die Hard 3.)  (Hogan d. Orndorff, escape from cage, **1/2)

- Intercontinental title: Randy Savage v. George Steele.

Steele clobbers him from behind and chokes him down, then gets a couple of slams. George waves for someone to comes out of the back, which allows Savage to take over. Savage quickly goes up, but Ricky Steamboat returns from the dead, or at least his throat injury, and Savage freaks out. (Hey, I’d love to turn on the Network and be able to call up that original Savage-Steamboat match.  Whoops, sorry, can’t do that.)  Steele dumps him and then kidnaps Elizabeth, and we take a break. Lots of stalling as Animal is gone, and Steamboat chases Savage around the ring until George returns from taking a piss or whatever he was doing. He gives Savage some turnbuckle stuffing, but gets shoved into the exposed steel. Normally that would end things, but this is the long-form tonight. Savage chokes him out, so Steele bites him in retaliation. Savage tries a sleeper, so Steele bites his arm. Steele then produces his nebulous foreign object, and shoves the ref, so Savage clocks him with the bell to FINALLY finish. (Savage d. Steele, bell -- pin, 8:07, DUD) This was all running around and choking and stalling and shit. But it set up the big showdown between Steamboat and Savage, so huzzah.

- Junkyard Dog v. Harley Race.

Speaking of WM3 setup matches, here's another. Race had just recently been crowned King, which is arrogant for normal people but actually kind of modest for wrestlers. Just look at HHH. Race punches Dog down for two and adds a high knee. Kneedrop gets two. Dog reverses him into the post and headbutts him down, but Race comes back with a belly-to-belly and falling headbutt. This is of course ill-advised, because black people have hard heads in the world of wrestling. Race ends up on the floor, and Dog steals the crown and robe, which is pretty silly. He also stops to beat up Bobby Heenan, which never leads to good things, and indeed Race hits him with an elbow off the top and they double-team JYD for the DQ. WEAK. (Dog d. Race, DQ, 3:56, 1/4*) Too short to be worth much.  (Not like the eventual Wrestlemania match was any longer or better.) 

- Adrian Adonis v. Roddy Piper.

This show seems very familiar. Piper hiptosses him and ties him in the ropes, then whips him into the corner. He goes to work on the arm, but Adonis gets a cheapshot. Piper slugs him down and they tumble out, where Adrian sprays perfume in his eyes for the countout win. (Adonis d. Piper, countout, 3:43, *) Never really got going, and again it was just a setup for WM3.

- Blackjack Mulligan v. Jimmy Jack Funk.

This was the start of Mulligan's short WWF tenure. Total squash, nuff said. (Mulligan d. Funk, back elbow -- pin, 2:26, 1/4*) He was in and gone before anyone noticed.

The Pulse:

Hogan v. Orndorff is legendary and will be included on the upcoming Hogan 4-disc DVD set, so the rest is superfluous and worthless as a result.  (What 4-disc set is that?  He’s had a couple of 3-disc ones but I don’t believe this match ever made it to a DVD anthology outside of the SNME one.) 

Comments

  1. TJ: So that Road to Paloma movie is actually getting good reviews. Might check it out.

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  2. I'm surprised they haven't done that finish more in cage matches.

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  3. To Scott: The Walmart release of Hogans Ultimate Anthology was 4 discs

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  4. That cage match is on the very first WWF videotape I had, Greatest Steel Cage Matches of All Time (I think?).

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  5. The cage match isn't included on Hulk's DVD, but it's on the SNME one and I think the Steel Cage one from 2004ish.

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  6. I still don't get that damn Die Hard water bottle puzzle! Or the one in Labyrinth either!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dgmgub8mHw

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  7. Eh, only a 44 on meta

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  8. The Bloodbath one? Christ that was the first wrestling dvd I think I ever got. Clipped to all hell if I rmemeber right

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  9. RT has it at 70 percent and the good reviews are from people I usually agree with.

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  10. There's a 3 gal jug and 5 gal jug. Fill the 3 gallon jug up and dump it in the 5 gallon jug, which now has two gallons of empty space. Fill the 3 gallon jug a second time, then dump enough of what's in the 3 gallon jug to FILL the 5 gallon jug, and that leaves 1 gallon in the three gallon jug! Now, empty the five gallon jug, then dump the 1 gallon from the 3 gallon jug in the five gallon jug, refill the three gallon jug all the way and dump that in the five gallon jug (which already had the one gallon in it) to get FOUR gallons.


    I don't think that's quite what they do though. But that's how you solve it.

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  11. I've always found meta to be a better barometer than RT. RT tells you if a movie is good or bad, while meta tells you how good or how bad.

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  12. Fair enough. From what I've read Momoa does the film very Clint Eastwood western-style with minimal dialogue and fantastic cinematography.

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  13. How many litres is that?

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  14. A liter is slightly larger than a quart, so a gallon is a little less than 4 liters.

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  15. If there are any regulars or long-time lurkers reading, could you go click on the Scott's Forum of Doom button at the top of the page and click on "Site FAQ."

    I've created a memes and meltdowns list for this site, and I could use the help or suggestions, no matter how sarcastic they are.

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  16. You know what would have been interesting? A heel Tito Santana challenging Hogan for the title.


    I'm thinking he would have been like a poor-man's Manny Fernandez.

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  17. You know what would have been interesting? A heel Tito Santana challenging Hogan for the title.

    I'm thinking he would have been like a poor-man's Manny Fernandez...

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  18. it's also on 'The History of the WWE Championship'

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  19. It does sound interesting but WWE Films that don't feature WWE wrestlers displease me

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  20. That cage match was epic at the time. It was also awesome having Mr wonderful use hogan's theme during thier feud

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  21. Caliber knew Cracked had done the article but claimed he didn't read it

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  22. Caliber left twice. He left after his Dark Knight Rises review got shit on

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  23. Yeah, I knew that and thought I implied it, but I probably didn't. I was trying to be concise and on point, and probably left out a few more moderately funny details.



    Sadly, I don't think there's an edit feature for it, so I can't insert the Dark Knight Rises incident into the original post, either.

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  24. Charlie was a poster who wrote way too long reviews of wrestling shows. He hated hardcore wrestling and well, his reviews were way too long.


    One day he just posted a random entry telling people to get a lie and how pathetic they were. He has not been seen or heard from since

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  25. Okay, I think I added the necessary amendments to Caliber's dossier. I still left it slightly vague because I didn't really notice when he left the first time around.

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  26. Caliber also left after posting a review of Die Hard. Dougie trolled him so Caliber deleted his post. Dougie then went to Caliber's blog and trolled him as Jesse Baker. Caliber asked Scott to suspend Dougie and Scott responded by sharing the e-mail with Dougie.

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  27. Who used to post matches with letter grades and that upset everyone? Then he would get mad at the negative feedback. Am i remembering correctly? Lol

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  28. Tommy Hall? He still does it. He also got mad when people didn't like how he was vague in his pbp about who hit a finisher.

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  29. lol. goddammit. Forgot about that, too. Unbelievable.

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  30. Chris had several meltdowns or basically reviews that were unreadable. The Lita, Benoit and DX book reviews are his trilogy. He also wrote a negative review of King's book that caused Ryan Murphy to wonder if he had issues with women

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  31. I just remember the DX one where I joined in on the fun in the comments section, only to ask or guess that he was drunk when he wrote it (turns out, he was). I also seem to remember either a Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels one where he went on one tangent too many about Shawn and/or Hunter.

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  32. The Benoit one caused him to go off on some weird thing about steroids and how pro wrestling was not prosecuted. I called him out on it and he got more incomprehensible.


    People jumped on him and Caliber stepped in and deemed no writer should ever be criticised even though he admitted he had never really read his work.

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  33. yep, including the Angle/Benoit RAW cage classic. Awful.


    thankfully, that one is included on Benoit's bio DVD from 2004

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  34. 4 * 3.87, if my photographic memory from milk jugs is any good.


    or my drunken view of bar bathroom urinals.

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  35. Another TJ: if you believe MetsFan4Ever on r/SquaredCircle he said Jericho is subbing for Punk who was scheduled to feud again with Bray till Summerslam.

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  36. Heel John Cena, Montreal, Rebooking the Invasion, Brock over Cena, anti-smarks v. Dave Meltzer, Jesse Baker...just to name a few.

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  37. lol. Yeah, I was thinking about those first four (perhaps, along with A+ debates), but putting them in a separate "Beating a Dead Horse" topic. Then, when people or new readers bring it up again, someone could just point to the forum where each side, major point, and detail of the debate or fantasy booking had been carefully laid out.

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  38. Him and i used to talk all of the time on Facebook, then one day out of the blue he unfriended me and never heard from him again.

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  39. If Hogans knees were bent that means he just landed. Orndorff landed first so he had time to stand up straight.

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  40. Its a fairly old brain teaser (The Labyrinth one). You know that one guard always lies, and the other always tells the truth.
    You ask one guard (doesn't matter which) "If I asked the other guard, which door would he say is the safe one?
    If the guard you have asked is truthful, he will accurately report the other's false answer.
    if the guard you have asked is a liar, he will misrepresent the other's true answer.
    Either way, the correct answer will be the opposite to the one given to you by the guard.

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  41. I actually weirdly respect him staying gone after posting the tantrum. Many hypersensitive people swear they are never coming back / never talking to you again only to pop up later as if nothing has happened.

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  42. CruelConnectionNumber2July 17, 2014 at 12:16 AM

    If you get 8 minutes with Macho Man and throw up a DUD you need to quit the business.

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  43. CruelConnectionNumber2July 17, 2014 at 12:19 AM

    "We fill the five gallon jug up, then we pour out some to make 4..." was an awesome first attempt by McClain. "NO YOU DUMB FUCKIN CRACKER, IT'S GOTTA BE EXACT!"

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  44. But Macho liked working with Steele so much (read: trusted him not to steal his woman) that he worked with him for well over a year straight.

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  45. I figured Savage liked working with Steele because it was an easy payday where Savage didn't need to sacrifice his body.

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  46. He still did so regardless.

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  47. In other words, you would more than likely break or tear something if you landed with your legs straight on concrete. Therefore, Orndorff landed first and should be recognized as champion.

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  48. All meltdown roads lead to Caliper.

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  49. "Leaving money on the table."
    "Botches aren't shoots"
    Jesse Baker and ass-slaves.

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  50. Not understanding the terminology between a botch and a shoot is just so embarrassing. Especially when a guy is trying to be somewhat of an authority on the subject he is writing for and the fan base reading it. Then to continue to say you're right after having it explained to you repeatedly and then claiming it's just semantics and you aren't going to discuss it anymore is just such a crazy person move.

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  51. When I eventually saw those Savage/Steele matches (around 1995, still as a mark), I was 100% rooting for the heel, and just wanted him to finish the match, cheating or not. Steele wasn't worthy of being IC champ. (that was super rare for me to cheer for a heel at the time, but Steele was just *THAT* bad.)

    Also, for those who were watching at the time, Was Orndorff an actual serious threat to win the title? Or was the money more in "I can't wait to see Hogan beat up that turncoat!" ?

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  52. #WeWillNeverForgetFarva

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  53. I love Mclane, he's basically portrayed as dumb, but when the stakes are high, he delivers like a genius. Mr Clutch!!

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  54. *if it happened in 1988 or 1998


    Cause the title was vacated for a good 2 months both times. But it was ok then, and horrible now, Amirite?

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