Who here has been to a UFC show? My first (and only so far) was the 55,000 fans at Rogers Centre in Toronto to see GSP vs. Shields. The main event was a snooze-fest but Aldo vs. Hominik had the fans roaring and I also got to see Machida retire Randy Couture with a Karate Kid kick.
If white people don't have the ability to have a tattoo that says WHITE PRIDE, its because they forfeited it through years of doing shitty things to brown people. Trying to act like things should be equal now is ignoring hundreds of years of human fuckery.
Went to UFC 87 in Minneapolis and saw BROCK LESNAR destroy Heath Herring and a GSP borefest. We were about 1/3 of the way up the upper level and spent most of the time watching the video screen instead of the octagon.
I've gone to all of the Fox Chicago shows. Saw Chael Sonnen beat Michael Bisping, Chris Weidman have a HORRIBLE fight with Damian Maia, and Rashad Evans lay on Phil Davis for five rounds. I also got to walk out with Anthony Pettis at the last WEC show because I won a contest. That will probably always be the best show I went to.
I mean I know too. I am just like Dude, if you have MEXICAN PRIDE then tattoo MEXICAN PRIDE across your chest. Not BROWN PRIDE it makes it look like me having WHITE PRIDE across mine.
Love Dusty and he was as over as a fat guy in polka dots could be, but it's hard to imagine him as being a better option for Hogan's occasional tag matches than Warrior or Savage.
I'm tempted to weep at the lost potential of an over the top, passionate, and awesome Dusty/Hogan combined babyface promo. Like they're going against DiBiase and Savage with Hulk saying how the atomic legdrop and bionic elbow "of the Real American Dream" would crack the mantle of the Earth but be repaired by hardworking everyday Hulkamaniacs.
Meanwhile you got Dusty yelling something to the effect of how "Hulksta's been the one taking all the vitamins, but I'm the one with plenty of prayers to say daddy" and "we ain't got no fancy crowns or big dollar bills, just hand me downs and old barbecue grills!".
While a Dusty/Hogan team could have been fun, I think a lot of you are forgetting that Dusty was booked pretty solidly in the mid card for his entire run.
Back then they had 3 touring groups. "A" was touring the big cities, usually with Hogan headlining. The "C" shows were usually headlined by the tag champs or something like that. I want to say Honky Tonk headlined the "C" shows as IC champ or maybe those were "B" shows.
I didn't even know they still had them in 1989. During the peak of rock and wrestling 1985-1987 there was enough of a roster to basically have three shows going nightly. Like in 1986 you'd have a Hogan defense as A, Bulldogs defending against Beefcake/Valentine as B, and a second level face like JYD against Hoss or Terry Funk as C. As much as I like Scott though, I don't think there were C shows in 1989-1990 and a quick look would have seen Hulk and Dusty on the same card...
Definitely in the midcard. But he practically NEVER lost. He won feuds with Dibiase when he came in, dominated the just off the main event Bossman, embarrassed HTM at summerslam 1989, got every duke over Macho Man (usually by countout), etc etc. They finally seemed to get sick of him at SS '90 and then FINALLY Ted started beating him as they did the Dusty and Dustin v Virgil and Dibiase feud, leading to Virgil's turn. By then Dusty was nearly gone.
Both Oliveira and Holloway are entertaining, under appreciated fighters. I've heard Oliveira described as "the guy whose fights you play for your dumb friends who don't like grappling." Holloway's last fight was a masterclass in footwork and creative striking. Say what you will about the UFC running too many cards and watering down the product, I'd be excited to watch this fight in any spot on the card.
I've been to two UFC events, both in Boston, and they put on an excellent live presentation. It is a really well executed live experience, even when they undercard is underwhelming. Attending the weigh-ins the day before is a must if you can swing it.
Many African Americans today had nothing to do with the 20 generations of forced ignorance wherein they could be executed for learning to read, but they have to suffer the consequences of not knowing ANYONE who ever got an education.
But please, keep being ignorantly white. That helps.
This is an idiotic stance. I grew up next to a black kid. We went to the same elementary school, same high school and colleges that were rated the same.
The idea that anyone white should have to pay for things done by other people in a different time is foolish. But, being a fool, I can see why you would go that route.
Absolutely right and the AWA was still doing great TV ratings when they went under. Strong ratings and packed houses don't mean a thing when a promotion is incompetent in handling finances.
LOL you just seriously threw out "I had a black friend! I'm not racist!"
Anyway, spend all of four seconds googling african american education statistics, and the NCES (National Center for Education Statistics) will tell you that twice as many white kids get a B.A. than black kids. Three times as many white kids get a B.A. than hispanic kids.
Are you SERIOUSLY going to argue that generational poverty isn't real? Because you lived next to ONE black kid? And you're saying MY stance was idiotic?
Take a look at the poorest areas, the worst ghettos in the country, and tell me who mostly lives there. Start tracing back family lines, and realize they've always been there. That's generational poverty.
Simmons wrote a column many years ago about attending a fight and he talked about the general feel of the place was that people were just itching for someone to bump into them.
Dusty's past history as a top draw and former world champion in NWA / Mid South was never acknowledged by the WWF, where he was used as an upper tier mid carder and never a part of the main event scene. The concept of a Hogan / Dusty dream match or tag team would've meant nothing to the WWF fan base, most of whom were unaware of who Dusty was until he appeared in the WWF. Incidentally, I thought the Widowmaker gimmick had potential and that Barry Windham could've done alright for himself in the WWF as a solid upper tier heel, but he didn't stick around long enough to establish himself.
What's a capacity crowd in Saskatoon? 17?
ReplyDeleteWho ever has heard of Sasktatoon?!
ReplyDelete# 5 Ranked featherweight Vs # 7 Ranked Featherweight
ReplyDeleteNow THAT's a Main Event anywhere in the country!
15000 or so for hockey, probably closer to 17K for something like this.
ReplyDeleteUFC events are a decent time minus the meathead/mouth breathing morons in their Tapout gear. I don't recall seeing Olivera in a boring fight.
ReplyDeleteufc event
ReplyDelete(Sends Ronda Rousey to break your arm for the disrespect.)
ReplyDeleteIf it wasn't for Bret-Flair, I'd never know it existed.
ReplyDeleteSo this will be the one time in UFC history that the fighters will wear parkas to the octagon.
ReplyDeleteIt's on a Sunday and opposite Summerslam. UFC <3s shows on my birthday. They did two last year.
ReplyDeleteI had a geography teacher in high school who was obsessed with Saskatchewan because it was "fun to say"
ReplyDeleteSaskatoon? The hell kind of name is that? Sounds like animated bagpipes or something.
ReplyDeleteAnybody who has seen the Wheels Ontario skits on Kroll Show.
ReplyDeleteOliviera vs. Holloway doesn't exactly scream headline fight.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of UFC, I am glad Werdum beat Cain at UFC 188. Not fan of Cain.
ReplyDeleteThat sums up going to a wwe event if you substitute Tapout gear for Cena merch.
ReplyDeleteWho here has been to a UFC show? My first (and only so far) was the 55,000 fans at Rogers Centre in Toronto to see GSP vs. Shields. The main event was a snooze-fest but Aldo vs. Hominik had the fans roaring and I also got to see Machida retire Randy Couture with a Karate Kid kick.
ReplyDeleteHe was incredibly classy in defeat, I'll give him that. I'm not much of a fan of anyone from AKA, though.
ReplyDeleteTrying to think of what Canadian fighters they can dig out of the mothballs for the show.
ReplyDeleteDavid Loiseau has won 7 out of his last 10 on the independents.
Wolverine.
ReplyDeleteWhat, we're not talking comics now?
:: sigh :: Fine. Fuck you guys.
I am just not a fan of his stupid tattoo.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Dana though I'm a redneck hillbilly.
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/12/28/3810202/ufc-155-cain-velasquez-brown-pride-tattoo-racist-controversy-dana-white
But the actual reality of it is if he got Mexican Pride instead of Brown Pride I would be ok with it.
I was so happy. Finally we will see the HW title actually defended.
ReplyDeleteIf white people don't have the ability to have a tattoo that says WHITE PRIDE, its because they forfeited it through years of doing shitty things to brown people. Trying to act like things should be equal now is ignoring hundreds of years of human fuckery.
ReplyDeleteMaybe not to a casual fan, but it'll be f'ing exciting.
ReplyDeleteNow Saskatoon, even though are live on... FOX, please refrain from any obnoxious hooting and hollering.
ReplyDeleteWent to UFC 87 in Minneapolis and saw BROCK LESNAR destroy Heath Herring and a GSP borefest. We were about 1/3 of the way up the upper level and spent most of the time watching the video screen instead of the octagon.
ReplyDeleteI'd prefer the ethnicity over someone's skin. Like German Pride, Mexican, African, etc. Not the color.
ReplyDelete#riderpride
ReplyDeleteSASKATOON! We had to defend the title in SASKATOON!
ReplyDeleteI've gone to all of the Fox Chicago shows. Saw Chael Sonnen beat Michael Bisping, Chris Weidman have a HORRIBLE fight with Damian Maia, and Rashad Evans lay on Phil Davis for five rounds. I also got to walk out with Anthony Pettis at the last WEC show because I won a contest. That will probably always be the best show I went to.
ReplyDeleteBorefest? Wasn't that the fight where GSP just battered Jon Finch in standup for 25 minutes?
ReplyDeleteI mean I know too. I am just like Dude, if you have MEXICAN PRIDE then tattoo MEXICAN PRIDE across your chest. Not BROWN PRIDE it makes it look like me having WHITE PRIDE across mine.
ReplyDeleteThat's why they sent it to Canada. . . .
ReplyDeleteBecause the white people around today had anything to do with that. Don't be so ignorant.
ReplyDeleteIt's a gang thing though. I don't give a shit but that's the controversy.
ReplyDeleteEither way, it's pride in something you didn't pick... which seems foolish to me.
ReplyDeleteFor Saskafuckingtoon it does.
ReplyDeleteThat was my first reaction as well.
ReplyDeleteLove Dusty and he was as over as a fat guy in polka dots could be, but it's hard to imagine him as being a better option for Hogan's occasional tag matches than Warrior or Savage.
I'm tempted to weep at the lost potential of an over the top, passionate, and awesome Dusty/Hogan combined babyface promo. Like they're going against DiBiase and Savage with Hulk saying how the atomic legdrop and bionic elbow "of the Real American Dream" would crack the mantle of the Earth but be repaired by hardworking everyday Hulkamaniacs.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile you got Dusty yelling something to the effect of how "Hulksta's been the one taking all the vitamins, but I'm the one with plenty of prayers to say daddy" and "we ain't got no fancy crowns or big dollar bills, just hand me downs and old barbecue grills!".
Damn, what might have been.
While a Dusty/Hogan team could have been fun, I think a lot of you are forgetting that Dusty was booked pretty solidly in the mid card for his entire run.
ReplyDeleteCame really close to KTFO right away, and Fitch never recovered.
ReplyDeleteBack then they had 3 touring groups. "A" was touring the big cities, usually with Hogan headlining. The "C" shows were usually headlined by the tag champs or something like that. I want to say Honky Tonk headlined the "C" shows as IC champ or maybe those were "B" shows.
ReplyDeleteI didn't even know they still had them in 1989. During the peak of rock and wrestling 1985-1987 there was enough of a roster to basically have three shows going nightly. Like in 1986 you'd have a Hogan defense as A, Bulldogs defending against Beefcake/Valentine as B, and a second level face like JYD against Hoss or Terry Funk as C. As much as I like Scott though, I don't think there were C shows in 1989-1990 and a quick look would have seen Hulk and Dusty on the same card...
ReplyDeleteDefinitely in the midcard. But he practically NEVER lost. He won feuds with Dibiase when he came in, dominated the just off the main event Bossman, embarrassed HTM at summerslam 1989, got every duke over Macho Man (usually by countout), etc etc. They finally seemed to get sick of him at SS '90 and then FINALLY Ted started beating him as they did the Dusty and Dustin v Virgil and Dibiase feud, leading to Virgil's turn. By then Dusty was nearly gone.
ReplyDeleteyou know, Dusty was in the nWo with Hogan...they may have cut a heel promo together
ReplyDeleteWhat about Sting, and the turn in February?
ReplyDeletePlus, for a guy named Magnum, he had some skinny little arms! Wooooooo!
ReplyDeleteBoth Oliveira and Holloway are entertaining, under appreciated fighters. I've heard Oliveira described as "the guy whose fights you play for your dumb friends who don't like grappling." Holloway's last fight was a masterclass in footwork and creative striking. Say what you will about the UFC running too many cards and watering down the product, I'd be excited to watch this fight in any spot on the card.
ReplyDeleteI've been to two UFC events, both in Boston, and they put on an excellent live presentation. It is a really well executed live experience, even when they undercard is underwhelming. Attending the weigh-ins the day before is a must if you can swing it.
ReplyDeleteDamn, interesting as hell. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteMany African Americans today had nothing to do with the 20 generations of forced ignorance wherein they could be executed for learning to read, but they have to suffer the consequences of not knowing ANYONE who ever got an education.
ReplyDeleteBut please, keep being ignorantly white. That helps.
Do the turn shortly before the '90 Bash
ReplyDeleteThis is an idiotic stance. I grew up next to a black kid. We went to the same elementary school, same high school and colleges that were rated the same.
ReplyDeleteThe idea that anyone white should have to pay for things done by other people in a different time is foolish. But, being a fool, I can see why you would go that route.
Absolutely right and the AWA was still doing great TV ratings when they went under. Strong ratings and packed houses don't mean a thing when a promotion is incompetent in handling finances.
ReplyDeleteWow, add Hogan/Rhodes vs DiBiase/Savage to every dream matches that could have happened list ever.
ReplyDeleteWidowmaker v TITO Santana time limit draw on Superstars or Challenge... worth mentioning
ReplyDeletenmnm
ReplyDeleteand i don't believe they even attempted to make closed-circuit money
ReplyDeleteLOL you just seriously threw out "I had a black friend! I'm not racist!"
ReplyDeleteAnyway, spend all of four seconds googling african american education statistics, and the NCES (National Center for Education Statistics) will tell you that twice as many white kids get a B.A. than black kids. Three times as many white kids get a B.A. than hispanic kids.
Are you SERIOUSLY going to argue that generational poverty isn't real? Because you lived next to ONE black kid? And you're saying MY stance was idiotic?
Take a look at the poorest areas, the worst ghettos in the country, and tell me who mostly lives there. Start tracing back family lines, and realize they've always been there. That's generational poverty.
It means there's no level playing field yet.
Never been to a fight, but I can't imagine watching GSP and Jake Shields fight. Two of the most boring guys to watch of all time.
ReplyDeleteSimmons wrote a column many years ago about attending a fight and he talked about the general feel of the place was that people were just itching for someone to bump into them.
ReplyDeleteNope. They were all in with PPV
ReplyDeleteOkay. I need to seek that out now. ARRIBA!!
ReplyDeleteAnd yet, WWE won't do a Saskatoon-Winnipeg swing for a TV week. Baffling.
ReplyDeleteI think the C shows were a thing till a bit into Warrior's reign
ReplyDeleteDusty's past history as a top draw and former world champion in NWA / Mid South was never acknowledged by the WWF, where he was used as an upper tier mid carder and never a part of the main event scene. The concept of a Hogan / Dusty dream match or tag team would've meant nothing to the WWF fan base, most of whom were unaware of who Dusty was until he appeared in the WWF.
ReplyDeleteIncidentally, I thought the Widowmaker gimmick had potential and that Barry Windham could've done alright for himself in the WWF as a solid upper tier heel, but he didn't stick around long enough to establish himself.